On Jan 28, 6:23*pm, MIG wrote:

On 28 Jan, 16:24, Mizter T wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:38*pm, "Batman55" wrote:

"martin" wrote:
on BBC London News this lunchtime:
"Transport for London (TfL) has been called "stingy" and "Scrooge-
like" for imposing a £1 charge on rail passengers using a short-cut
through a station."

Full story at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8484960.stm

What's the real deal here? Is this just a charge to enter one station
and exit another, or if I got the Jubilee to Southwark and exited
through an exit at Waterloo East, would I be charged an extra quid?
(I've never used Waterloo East, and think I've only been to Southwark
once, so I'm not clear on the layout of the station or this
'expensive' corridor.)

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It is perfectly reasonable for passengers to alight at Waterloo East and
want to go to Blackfriars Road, for which the Southwark tube exit is ideal.
Walking towards Waterloo and then back again is ridiculous and the fact that
this wasn't thought through when the station was opened shows very poor
judgement. It is true that the exit for Waterloo East is shown as via
Waterloo (and the signs to Southwark just say Jubilee Line), but it still
needs sorting out.

It was thought through though - it was a condition of the planning
permission given for Southwark tube station that no new intermediate
exit from Waterloo East onto the street be created. Presumably this
was done to keep surrounding residential areas quieter.

Does this condition no longer apply? *Or is the £1 platform ticket
considered to be sufficient to price off a significant proportion of
the people who don't have travelcards?

You misunderstand me - AIUI planning permission for the station was
conditional on there simply being no new entrance to Waterloo East -
there were no associated conditions w.r.t. pax passing through
Southwark tube to get to Waterloo, though I suppose the letter of the
law might suggest that the (then) new Southwark tube station wasn't to
be used for such a purpose.


It effectively does provide an exit for anyone with a travelcard,
which is a lot of people, and probably the majority of people at the
times when it's busiest. *It's the obvious route from the south east
to TfL's offices, for example ...

Indeed, the Palestra building!

But I wouldn't be too quick to leap to conclusions about how many
commuters arriving at Waterloo East hold Travelcards - NR-only season
tickets can offer significantly savings...
e.g
Orpington (z6) to London Terminals - £139.10 (monthly)
zone 1-6 Travelcard - £182.80 (monthly)

All depends on what other travelling that person might be during that
month, of course. (And changes in PAYG bus and Tube fares versus the
Travelcard price has the potential to shift that calculus on an annual
basis!)