On Aug 10, 10:56*pm, 1506 wrote:

On Aug 10, 2:40*pm, West Yorkshire Bus
wrote:
A simple question, in a year or two when the Thameslink works get near
to being finished, should the route be added (or be reinstated) onto
the tube map?

At the moment I feel that visitors to the city are not aware of the
route and once Blackfriars is finished, are not aware of the handy
link straight through the centre of the tourist area.

Why was it taken out of the Underground map? *It would help if there
was a common fare structure in the inner area.

There kind of already is a common fare structure, on Thameslink at
least. There's full 'interavailability' of LU tickets on Thameslink,
meaning that within zone 1 single LU tickets can be used on Thameslink
as if it were an Underground line (actually I think this
interavailability applies to & from Kentish Town in zone 2 as well) -
and passengers can change from LU to Thameslink or v.v. just as if
they were interchanging between LU lines.

Of course Travelcards and Oyster PAYG can be used on the line as well.

However there are also 'Not Underground' fares available for say a
London Bridge to St Pancras journey by Thameslink, these are limited
to use on the Thameslink route only. I don't see any big deal about
retaining these - I doubt that many are sold at all, but it does
enable FCC to offer a cheaper fare than the £4 LU paper ticket single.

In essence I don't think there's a ticketing issue here - not in this
context at least. It gets more complicated when considering NR fares
from further afield - those issued to "London Terminals" from points
north are only valid to St Pancras and no further, and from points
south are only valid as far as City Thameslink (but because of loose
programming seem to operate the gates at St Pancras anyway!) -
passengers travelling further need to specify that when they book
their ticket and should get the appropriate ticket to a named
destination (e.g. St Pancras, Farringdon etc).

When was it taken off the Tube map - well, it's vanished off the map a
number of years ago, well before the current Thameslink Programme
works began. One can make a number of guesses as to why - the less
frequent, slower, and at rush hour very busy service was perhaps
considered a bit misleading to be included on the Tube map. The 'Great
Northern Electrics' / Northern City line twixt Moorgate and Finsbury
Park also used to feature, but that too went (at the same time?).

AIUI the current thinking seems to be that the Thameslink Programme is
going to get cut back somewhat - the signalling will be for 20tph
rather than 24tph (for which the planners considered an ATO signalling
system to be a requirement), it won't get the planned fleet of new
trains, perhaps 'Key Output 2' (with the extensive Bermondsey duck-and-
diveunder arrangements) will get put on the backburner - so the 'new
generation' Thameslink service may be a little bit less Tube-like
than had originally been thought.