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David Cantrell · June 5th 13, 12:21 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:45:42AM +0000, d wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:00:03 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 10:51:54AM +0000, wrote:
and frankly there are enough bloody planes in the skys over london as it is.
We don't need any more.
And the reasoning behind these statements is what?
Look out the window right now. Can you see that smeary haze where there should
be blue sky?

No. I see a coupla contrails, and some very light cloud.

Apart from looking vile

No. That's not vile. This is vile http://poetry.rotten.com/meat-grinder-ii/.
I think you meant "a little bit unpleasant", although I disagree with
even that.

for all that ice from the vapour trails
you can see theres just as much CO2 released that you can't see.

A whole 2% of anthropogenic CO2 production. Even if we could magic it
all away, the power stations that release 15 times as much would still
be there, so I refuse to care about the 2%. I especially refuse to care
when that 2% is actually caused by something useful and is very hard to
get rid of without getting rid of the useful. By comparison, the 30%
vomited out by power stations is easy to get rid of. The technology
exists right now, and we know how to do it. It's just that NIMBYs and
tree-huggers don't like nukes. But replacing fossil fuel power stations
with nuclear ones is, I think, far easier to do than magicking away air
travel, and so on the rare occasions that I do something Environmental,
it's with that aim in mind.

Not to mention all the other pollutants being shoved into the stratosphere.

Meh. Again, fix the power stations if you give a ****.

Plus I'm currently working virtually right under the heathrow flight path and
its not much fun. Thank god I don't live here.

My grandparents lived right under the Heathrow flight path. I noticed
when I visited. I noticed for a few minutes, and then it was just
background noise, no worse than that from people walking past in the
street talking to each other, just the occasional rumble. I get more
noise in my flat from trains whizzing past a few hundred feet away, and
I assure you, it causes no hardship whatsoever.

I'm sure that it's really bad under the part of the flight path that is
really close to the ground - the last coupla kilometres or so - but
otherwise it's irrelevant. If it was relevant further out, then Kew
Gardens, which is directly under the flight path, would be a blighted
hell-hole. It isn't. Therefore you are either exaggerating, lieing,
or are one of the very few people in a very small area for whom it is
a real issue. Expanding Heathrow will make that last category bigger,
but the scale of the problem is nothing like that which the tree-huggers
say it is. There are certainly not millions of peoples' lives ruined
by the airport nor will there be. Not even hundreds of thousands.

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It wouldn't hurt to think like a serial killer every so often.
Purely for purposes of prevention, of course.