On 10/10/2014 12:23, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:36:20 on
Fri, 10 Oct 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
This nonsense of revealing snazzy "designs"
before you know if someone can deliver a working, reliable and
effectively engineered train is so reminiscent of the NB4L that it
worries me. There we have a bus that is fatally compromised

I think I'm a bit behind the times. What's the problem with them?

They've gained the nickname 'Roastmaster' during the summer months.