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Nitro · April 25th 04, 10:10 PM posted to uk.transport.london

(Aidan Stanger) wrote in message ...
Nitro -

The version of Crossrail I favour is as follows:

take over the slow lines on the WCML to
Milton Keynes (and possibly Northampton, but as Northampton's so much
further away it might be better to terminate Crossrail services at
Wolverton and give Northampton to Virgin).

Would probably be running with 12 cars, but this may not be enough.
Remember that capacity is limited on the Slow Lines, and that you may
end up attracting Virgin passengers at Milton Keynes.

London Underground would take over the Euston to Watford Junction
service using Tube stock (so the platform height could be optimized).
Initially this would run into the main Euston station,

I read somewhere that lack of platform space at Euston prevented
frequency from being increased on the DC Line.

Line 2:

Tunnel from Clapham Junction (somewhere between Latchmere Road and
Cranleigh Avenue) to Dalston Junction (via Battersea West, Chelsea,
Victoria, Piccadilly Circus, TCR, Kings Cross St.Pancras, Angel, and
Essex Rd. It would then take over the NLL and run to Woolwich Arsenal
via a new tunnel from Silvertown (N Woolwich would close).

Did you know that the SRA are looking at running NLL trains on
Crossrail from Custom House to Abbey Wood?

As with your proposal, the trains don't have to terminate at
Clapham*Junction. They could take over some of the services that
currently run to Waterloo.

Problem with this is that passengers for Canary Wharf would have to
change twice - once onto already packed trains to Waterloo at Clapham
Junction, and then onto the Jubilee Line. Your Line 2 has no
convenient interchange with a line going to the Wharf.

(The numbering of the following lines may not indicate the best order to
build them in)
Line 3:
Tunnel mostly below the Circle Line from Paddington to Liverpool St then
via Whitechapel to Poplar. Surface and run to Custom House.

Is there space for another surface line? - will you have to demolish
buildings, or build it above the road? (but then where will the
supports go?) I don't know.

Line 4:
Tunnel from Waterloo (or more likely, somewhere beyond Vauxhall) to
Bethnal Green via Blackfriars, St.Pauls and Liverpool Street. This would
almost certainly require the demolishion of a few buildings, including
the new one at 1 London Wall.

The surface Bethnal Green, I assume.

Line 5: Tunnel from Moorgate (or Old Street) to South London via
London*Bridge.

And an underground Cannon Street, if not too expensive.

As for the rest of the points you mentioned:

others to Stansted Airport.

With what stopping pattern?

Tottenham Hale, Bishops Stortford, Stansted Airport

Duplicating the Stansted Express. Why?

OK, add the four tracking of the line to the proposals.

The rest of the service would have to terminate in an as
yet undecided location (possibly Clapham Junction - build some
reversing sidings there?).

Why?

So people can get on trains at somewhere like Vauxhall.

Why wouldn't they be able to do that if the trains went further?

The trains may be full.

· Avoids the problem of building a mainline station at
Piccadilly Circus

Just what exactly is the problem there?

Not enough space underground for a mainline station

I've heard that claim before, but am not convinced. Where exactly is
there not enough space?

I don't know, but LUL omitted it from the Express Metro versions of
the Chelsea-Hackney Line because of this reason.