Roland Perry wrote:
In message -septem
ber.org, at 08:10:15 on Mon, 1 Jun 2015, Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message -septem
ber.org, at 07:18:50 on Mon, 1 Jun 2015, Recliner
remarked:
I've never heard any suggestion that HEx will extend past Paddington.
Every Crossrail map in years has shown service to T4, not T5.

We aren't talking about Crossrail - this is HEx services after 2023.

If HEx is to continue running fast, non-stop to Paddington on the main
lines, it won't have access to the Crossrail tunnels will it? And if HEx
does use the relief lines and run through London, it will presumably have
to stop at all the PED-equipped tunnel stations, which means having trains
with the same door spacing as the 345s (and no first class?). On that
basis, how could HEx, with no speed or comfort advantage, charge higher
fares than Crossrail?

On the charges issue, they'd be offering a quicker ride from Heathrow to
docklands than Crossrail.

How so?

By running non-stop (modulo Old Oak Common) from Heathrow to Paddington.

It won't be able to use the main lines to the tunnels would it, and
wouldn't be able to run fast and non-stop on the relief lines. And where
would the paths for this come from?

Also offering a through trip from T5, avoiding a change of train which
will be required for Crossrail.

True, but would this be instead of, or in addition to, the Paddington
service?

Instead of.

So no Heathrow trains to the Mainline Paddington station?


It would presumably need to use the same class 345 trains as Crossrail, so
that the performance, signalling and door spacing was identical.

Won't the signalling need to be the same so they can share the line from
Airport Junction to the airport with Crossrail trains?

No, that'll be conventional signalling with manual driving, as on the other
surface tracks used by Crossrail. In the tunnels, the trains will use ATO.

The trains will all have to have the same door spacing and performance, so
the only realistic option is more class 345 trains. Other than in the
Heathrow section, they will have to carry normal Crossrail pax at normal
Crossrail prices. In other words, they will just be normal Crossrail trains
to T5, presumably all standard class.

In effect, what you're really suggesting is the abandonment of HEX and its
premium pricing, with both T4 and T5 having normal 4tph Crossrail services?
Personally, I think this will happen, particularly when the western rail
link opens, if the Heathrow Crossrail services run through, back on to the
GWML.