"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 09/11/2016 08:17, tim... wrote:

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On 07/11/2016 13:35, tim... wrote:

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On 07/11/2016 12:14, tim... wrote:

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Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
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-septe



mber.org, at 17:10:41 on Sat, 5 Nov 2016, Recliner
remarked:

But his chances of becoming an MP are low (Labour only had 12.3%
of the vote last time)

"Slim to none" is a more realistic description.

However, prospective MPs have to "earn their wings" contesting
impossible seats, before being offered a safe seat some years
later.

Yes, and by standing, he'll split the pro-Remain vote, thus pretty
much
guaranteeing that Zac keeps his seat; otherwise the LDs might have
had a
chance of winning the seat back.


I see Wolmar has had to start his campaign by defending the decision
not to
back the LD candidate instead. He skates around why it's better to
let
Goldsmith win:
"Why would we deliberately opt out of a three-week high profile
campaign
which gives us an opportunity to demonstrate our renewed unity
[Huh?] and
our distinctive ideas?"

http://labourlist.org/2016/11/richmo...-and-lib-dems/




But once he's lost, he has to go back to earning his living as a
supposedly
impartial railway journalist and author, which won't be helped by
phrases
like, "people should be turning their backs on this vicious and
nasty
government".

I really do hate the way that lefties bandy about personal abuse just
because they disagree with someone's political position.

Look, it's fairly simple here. The Tory party aren't (despite your
claims otherwise) making these choices (to cut spending) that they
make
because they are pre-disposed to be "nasty" people. They are making
them because they *genuinely* believe that, for the economic good
of the
country, it's the right thing to do - and in the current state of the
country's finances doing what's right for the economy trumps doing
what
is socially the right thing to do.


So why are they desperately pushing ahead with Brexit despite it being

because it's what the people voted for


But you've just said that the economy trumps that.

no I didn't

I said that in the case of government spending, getting the Economy
right trumps doing the "right thing" on Welfare.

about the worst possible thing you could do for the economy.

There are many arguments that that isn't the case in the longer term.
That is exactly the reason why some of us voted to leave.

Are there?

Many believe that there are

it will take 20 years to find out :-)

Just because it is bad for you (and your like) doesn't make it bad for
everyone.



And just what is my like?

If the economy gets shafted it won't be just me that is affected.

But the argument is that the end result of leaving wont shaft the Economy

It already has and we haven't left yet.

I see that you snipped the bit where I explained that that is not caused by
the actual act of leaving but by the Remoaners not accepting the situation,
rather than their knuckling down and doing what is "best" for the UK under
the circumstances. (They will, no doubt, argue that they are, I will argue
that they aren't - they are trying to fight a war that, I believe they
cannot win and making Britain worse off whilst they fight it.)

FTAOD, I fully expected that such Remoaning would happen and that it would
affect the economy badly (and if I tried hard enough I could find you a post
that I made before the referendum that sad as much.)

tim