In message , at 12:31:49 on
Tue, 15 Nov 2016, Optimist remarked:

But rely on ECJ caselaw. Will we airbrush that out on Brexit day, or
will we (can we even) continue to rely upon it?

That depends on the drafting of the legislation.

That's a truism, not an answer.

Ask a lawyer.

Ask them what- the meaning of "truism"?


What are you on about?

Trying to understand why you think a truism answers my original
question.


I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.

Why would a lawyer know whether or not a truism can be construed as an
answer?

Why ten years? Could be ten weeks or ten months.

It takes that long to work out the detail.

No it doesn't, draft agreements with some countries are already taking
shape. This can happen quite quickly, unless you think that
negotiators have to travel in person by sailing ship to discuss terms.

That's just plain wrong. In terms of 80:20 rules, 98% of the work takes
2% of the time, and the final 2% takes 98%.

We'll see.

So you don't know.

So what future trade deals will the EU negotiate? Will there be a deal
with Australia? You don't know that, do you?

It's the time it takes, not the countries you are negotiating which
matters.

You still don't say why it should take so long.

Because those kinds of negotiations always do.

It's very difficult to make predictions, particularly about the future.

The time it takes to negotiate is fairly well understood. For example,
the ITU works on a four-year cycle. And within that there are meetings
going on almost every week of the year.

Counries can negotiate bilaterally.

That, of itself, won't speed things up.

Also note that the Swiss GDP is a quarter
of the UK's which makes the stakes lower, and thus easier to negotiate.

They've been doing it for years, about the same time as the EU, but
with much greater success.

Do you have an example of one, with start and finish dates? And were the
same team trying to negotiate a dozen others simultaneously.

Ask them. The fact is they trade deals with far more countries than
the EU has.

So you don't know.

Will the awful TTIP deal being pushed by the EU go ahead?

It's being pushed by the USA. How many years in are we now - ah yes...
five years and counting since it got properly started.

Eaxactly. It's not really a free trade deal at all but to give control
to big business. That's why it's doomed.

Oddly enough, a lot of international trade is B2B.

We managed before 1973.

The world has become far more complicated.

Really?

Yes, take just one area - telecommunications. In that time we've gone
from "Do what PO Telephones tells you, and shut up" to hundreds of
individual rules and regulations covering thousands of suppliers.

Now there are more service providers, more choice, more competition.

Even when the rules come from the EU. That rather contradicts your
position on mercury.

USA has competition in telecoms as well. Last time I checked USA not in EU.

Irrelevant. It's not the fact of having competition, but the thousands
of lines of law required to regulate the market.

Rubbish

What is. Have you actually read the various telecoms directives?

And why do you think that a single-issue such as [grant funding
famine] will dominate an election campaign?

Stand yourself then and make a difference.

That doesn't answer the question (a definite trend as this thread
continues).

You don't understand democratic politics, do you?

One things for sure, you aren't the only person here who doesn't
understand representative democracy.

That figures, you support unaccountable government and taxation.

No, because they *are* accountable.

Yawn


Fact is we give far more money to the EU than we get back.

We get a lot more than "money" back.

Yes, out from under a corrupt empire.

Economies of scale, mainly.

The people now see where economies can be made, now that the scales
have fallen from their eyes.

Unfortunately, they are wrong.
--
Roland Perry