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[email protected] · February 20th 17, 08:58 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d () wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:03 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:34:52 on Mon, 20 Feb
2017, d remarked:
Both yesterday and today, and possibly earlier, two-car
DMUs have been travelling along the line, presumably for
driver training/route familiarisation purposes.

Presumably the line's own 172s? They've been parked at Willesden
during the closure.

I'm surprised TfL hasn't sold them

I think the lessor (Angel Trains) would have something to say if TfL
sold them!!

I didn't realised they were leased. Is that a choice TfL made or was
it forced upon them I wonder?

Almost all rolling stock is leased. And it's TfL imposing it on Arriva
Rail London (just as DfT does on its management contracts such as with
GTR).

AFAIK tube trains are all owned outright by LU. Is this not the case
with the 378s on LO then?

London Overground is quite different to LUL. It is operated as a concession,
not by a TfL operator directly.

In the case of the 172s there is a further reason why they are leased. They
will go to a TOC elsewhere once displaced by the GOBLIN electrification.
This is much easier to do using the standard ROSCO model of ownership and
leasing.

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Colin Rosenstiel