London Banter - View Single Post - Institutionalised law-breaking using bikes

David Martin · October 17th 04, 08:58 AM posted to uk.transport.london,uk.rec.cycling

On 17/10/04 7:43 am, in article , "Paul - xxx"
wrote:

David Martin vaguely muttered something like ...
On 17/10/04 12:12 am, in article
, "Ningi"
wrote:

As a general point though.. Cars running red lights tend to do it as the
light is changing to red. Many cyclists will run a red light regardless
of the colour when they actually arrive at the signal. I think these
are significantly different behaviours.

Absolutely. Cars will speed up to charge across a red light. Cyclists will
slow down and cross if safe[1].

..d

[1] safe does not imply pleasant for those around

Oh come on .. you're now using arguments that many cyclists in this
newsgroup decry car drivers for ...

Just because a manouvre you consider is safe, doesn't mean
a) that it _is_ safe
Like crossing on green as well?

b) that it is any less illegal.

Precisely.

See, that's the troubl;e with generalisation .. NOT all car drivers run red
lights, NOT all cyclists run red lights.

I was pointing out that there is a difference in the way motorists and
cyclists jump red lights. I didn't and don't condone doing so.

...d