Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:

Dave Liney wrote:

If you want flat interchanges then go to Waterloo as normal and get a
bus to Euston (at least three routes IIRC) and walk from there. Or
you could walk to Aldwych and get a direct bus from there. It'll take
around 30 minutes either way.

Why on earth isn't there a direct bus between Waterloo and King's
Cross?! I never even noticed that before. These are arguably the two
most important railway termini.

No, since one of those is Liverpool Street. Just because it mostly serves
Essex and Hackney doesn't mean you can ignore it! Gaaah!

Unless you have some definition of 'important' that is not related to
passenger numbers, in which case you will be the first up against the wall
when the revolution comes.

Liverpool Street is very important - but when I was referring to King's
Cross I meant (and didn't make at all obvious) the combination of King's
Cross, St Pancras and King's Cross Thameslink.

That's what i assumed - i don't think of them as separate stations.

I'm not sure on the passenger numbers but combined it must be at least a
competitor to Liverpool St.

I think Greater King's Cross is the second busiest station in London,
after Liverpool Street; i think Waterloo is a lot further down. I can
never find the figures, though!


Figures are available somewhere and I have seen them, the combined
figures together means it would still come behind Victoria(I believe
is the busiest passenger station in London), Liverpool Street and
Waterloo.

One thing to consider is the nature of the journeys: i think LS is so busy
because of all the commuter traffic into the city, but handles relatively
little long-haul traffic (there isn't really anywhere to long-haul to,
except Chelmsford, Colchester and Norwich), whereas KX, along with Euston,
is the hub for pretty much all of the trips along the length of the
country. I should imagine Waterloo's in a similar situation to Liverpool
Street, though: lots of inner and outer suburban traffic, not a lot of
long-distance. If you think long-distance traffic is more important in
some way, you could argue that KX is more important than LS, but i don't
think it works for Waterloo.

Whatever the passenger numbers, my rant is justified because Waterloo
has two buses to Liverpool Street :-) (26 and express 705) It also has
buses to Moorgate, Euston, Marylebone (Baker St), Paddington, Victoria,
Charing Cross, London Bridge, Fenchurch Street, Cannon Street and City
Thameslink. The only one left out seems to be Blackfriars - and the
buses to London Bridge and Elephant & Castle should cover that.

While we're ranting [1] - the buses at Blackfriars are a disgrace! The
stops for some of them are about twenty miles up the road! And there's
only one night bus - which is pretty daft, given that trains run there
until pretty late at night. I had to do Wallington to Clapton on a sunday
night once, which is why i'm bitter about this .

tom

[1] By which i obviously mean "While *i'm* ranting"