On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:42:59 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

David Bradley wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:05:54 -0000, wrote:

David Bradley said:

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:12:17 -0000, wrote:

David Bradley said


A trolleybus system does NOT need this destructive and largely
self-defeating road widening

But wouldn't the trolleybus STILL need road widening if it's to be
more than just another bendy-bus with added overhead power lines?

A false assumption.

Why? What's false about it? Speaking from congestion point of view,
what's going to magically stop this this trolleybus from being just
another bendy-bus with the novelty of overhead power lines? What's
going to make it solve traffic congestion better than all the other
bendy-buses out there?


Now maybe you just happen to like bendy-buses with overhead power
lines for their own sake? But experience seems to show that simply
sticking bendy buses onto already overcrowded roads doesn't reduce
congestion. I don't see how they're going to fix that problem by
just adding some ugly power lines to the bus.

40 metre long trains, TWICE the length of bendybuses, running along
Uxbridge Road is really going to make a difference for the better or
worse? Your call to explain that one away.

Trams running along the EXISTING Uxbridge Road would make things
worse,
just as your electrical bendy-buses running along the existing
Uxbridge
Road will make things worse.

Trams (or your electric bendy-buses, or whatever) running along the
new, improved WIDENED Uxbridge Road, won't because there will be
more room
for them. That's why the road widening is the important thing, no
matter whether it's trams or trolleybuses that just happen to run in
the
new lanes after they've been created.


My response to your posting would be tailored to whether you are in
favour of the tram or not. Which is it please?

How can one decide if one is in favour of a scheme until one has explored
all the options?


There's five possible answers to the question:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Don't Know
4) Don't care
5) Something else [and what would that be?]

Depending on the answer I will respond accordingly.

Another question for you. How do you explore ALL the options when information
from official sources is held back - where does that leave you in deciding if
you are in favour of the scheme or otherwise?

I am not the font of all knowledge on this issue but I have carried out a
considerable amount of research on the proposed west London tramway based upon
information that is in the public domain. I am not alone to discover the good,
bad and really ugly aspects of the scheme and have pooled the information with
other researchers. This pooled knowledged is in the process of being place on
a web site www.tfwl.org.uk. Do check it out to help you decide which side of
the fence you are on.

Personally I think the billon pounds that the tramway scheme will cost,
perhaps even more, would be better spent on other public transport
improvements over a wider area of London. Quality, efficient public transport
has to be provided as the number of vehicles wishing to use a given road space
simply won't fit. Making roads wider is only a very short term solution but
the loss of interesting buildings that make up the character of a locality are
lost for ever to create this 'extra' road space.

Of course you can have your own view point on this matter but to get anything
meaningful out of a discussion you have to join in without holding your cards
so close to your chest that even you do not know what your opinion is.

David Bradley