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Old November 13th 05, 09:05 AM posted to uk.transport.london
 
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Default About West London Tram

David Bradley said:

I thought that the time had actually come to draw in line in the sand
over the exchanges made at uk.transport.london and the only reason I
kept it going for so long is that Internet searches on the West
London Tram would reveal discussions going on in this backwater.


Charming.

However it seem no matter how much I dot the eyes or cross the tees
it never seems to be enough to satisfy some people that are sceptical
that a trolleybus solution can deliver any real benefits.


And what does that suggest about your trolleybus solution? Maybe the
situation is more complex than your claims that "All trolleybuses are
good" would suggest?

I thought it would be reasonably easy to respond to the issues raised
by you but found myself very quickly bogged down trying to provide
bullet point replies. All I could manage was several paragraphs
before getting a headache


Yes, well, the real world is more complicated than your "Trolleybuses
are always good" mantra. I'm sorry if that gives you a headache, but it
can't be helped.

If there is going to be street based public transport along the
Uxbridge Road


Ah, that is a very big "if". Why should we restrict ourselves to only
considering "street based public transport along the Uxbridge Road"?
Instead, we could use our imaginations and creativity to come up with
approaches that are totally different.

If we say a trolleybus option is better than a tram, then we have
arrived at that conclusion by considerable research into TfL's tram
scheme.


Take care you don't fall into what boffins call "the Fallacy of
Induction". Just because *a* trolleybus scheme is better than *a* tram
scheme, you can't always assume that all trolleybus schemes are better
than all tram schemes.

Your response was "I would hope that
whatever mode of WLT is chosen, it wouldn't integrate its stops with
bus stops. Keeping them separate would help establish it in the
public's imagination as something new and different. This will help
stimulate their curiosity more than just the same old bus routes
calling at the same old bus stops but with added overhead cables."
Taking this text alone I assume you intended to throw the baby out
with the bathwater by not even trying to have an integrated public
transport system.


Not at all. I just have a different perception of "integrated" than
you. After all, you don't expect buses to stop at the platforms in
railway stations, do you? They stop on the street outside. And in, for
example, Euston station, the mainline trains don't share the same
platforms as the tube trains. (Heck, even the Northern Line branches
don't stop at the same platforms as each other.) Does this mean they
aren't "integrated" in your book?