On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:35:12 +0000, David Bradley
wrote:

Unlike pro tram supporters and the green element, we do not duck and dive from
any issues raised;

On the contrary, that's exactly what you've been doing.

Simply not true, I repeated return here to pick up on any points raised.

Whilst often not addressing many of the points raised directly, if at
all.

Let me spell it out again for you what I have said previously. Sticking a
couple of poles on the top of a bus and stringing up overhead wires obviously
won't make one ioata of difference to the congestion problems along the
Uxbridge Road assuming that was all that was done. Our proposals go much
deeply than that but clearly you are not interested in the detail.

You have not been so kind as to furnish us with any of the "deeper"
detail.

Your website spends many pages and thousands of words rubbishing the
tram scheme (or just trams in general), but says very little about
this detailed scheme you say you are proposing instead. In fact,
almost all that can be inferred is that it involves trolleybuses, and
doesn't involve any demolition to increase capacity at the key
bottlenecks.

You've also made some vague mention in this group about wiring up many
different routes in west London for trolleybuses, but again with
little or no detail.

You almost give the impression that you're making up this proposal as
you go along.

You can't consider one aspect in isolation and then rubbish the entire concept.

We can only consider the aspects that you tell us about.

Additionally, if it cannot be shown that *any* scheme involving
trolleybuses does any more to reduce congestion than *the same* scheme
but using bendybuses, and if congestion reduction is principal
objective, and if the costs of trolleybuses over bendybuses are large
(wires, substations, etc), then it's perfectly legitimate to drop any
further consideration of using trolleybuses.

Clearly you have a solution that you feel WILL work, so stop hiding
behind a bush and come out and tell us all what that is.

If you want your proposal to be taken seriously then it is up to YOU
to convince the audience of its merits. This involves more than just
inviting the audience to come up with a better idea.

Nevertheless, scepticism has been expressed in this group that your
proposal will do any more to relieve congestion than the same proposal
but using diesel bendybuses - so if you feel you need an "alternative"
proposal to attack, fire away.