"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message
Ian wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message

Walter has posted HC rule 154 which shows it is legal.
If vehicles are close together, one will generally have proceeded over
the first white line at the time the signal turns red.


Only if the driver ignores the meaning of an amber traffic light.

You seem to have a different interpretation of the regs to me, and I
can't see why, so here a simpler example:

You are driving (a motor vehicle) at a safe and legal speed, with no
other vehicles moving in your direction for 200 yards, approaching some
(green) traffic lights which have these two stop lines in front of them.
Then the lights change to amber; you move your foot to cover the brake
pedal, and realize that you can not (physically, and so safely) stop
before reaching the first stop line. You can, however, stop safely before
passing the second stop line. You can also get past the second stop line
before the lights change to red (based on experience).

What legal options do you have? Which is the best one?

Legally you should stop at the second stop line. That is what it says in
TSRGD2002 Section 5 paragraph 43 (b).

As I understand it, red light cameras are normally only active a few seconds
after the red light has come on and they are activated by movement. They
take two photos with a gap between them to prove motion. So a red light
camera wouldn't detect a stationary vehicle in the cycle box. To be detected
it would need to cross the first line a few seconds after the red light came
on.

Ian