Mizter T wrote:
wrote:

this seems to mean big fare rises for some:
e.g. Surbiton to Waterloo cheap day return: now £4.20,
zone 1-6 rail only CDR: £5.70


This BBC London webpage include a fares table comparing the current and
future single (SDS), standard return (SDR) and cheap day return (CDR)
fares between a number of stations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/..._feature.shtml

Notice how in almost all cases on this list, while there may be savings
for singles and peak returns, the cheap day return is more expensive.

Furthermore, none of these illustrate the rail-tube-rail fares where
the fare rises are pretty steep for cheap day returns - e.g. Clapham
Junction to Finsbury Park (zone 2 to zone 2) goes from £4.40 cheap day
return to £7.00 cheap day return, Orpington to West Hampstead (zone 6
to zone 2) goes from £5.50 cheap day return to £9.70 cheap day
return.

The principle on cross London rail-tube-rail journeys has most recently
been that the tube part is free. Now the rail-tube-rail fare is being
set at the same level as the rail-tube fare.

As cheap day returns are those used by off-peak travellers, travellers
at the weekend, passengers travelling for discretionary reasons -
surely the revenue that the railways would want to seek, this is a very
bad move and I don't see how London TravelWatch can claim this is good
news.

Jonathan