London Banter - View Single Post - Rail network in London to adopt zonal fares

Paul Corfield · October 23rd 06, 04:43 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 23 Oct 2006 04:39:58 -0700, wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
wrote:

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It's too late for me to start working out elaborate examples. However I
think in many cases a passenger would encounter a set of gates on their
journey - say when changing from NR to the Undergound at termini - that
means this isn't actually as much of an issue as some think.

I have always been a bit too worried about being charged for two
journeys to encounter a set of gates on a journey using Oyster.

Can anyone confirm what I might be charged for the following (off-peak)
(all for travelling from London City Airport to Balham, say):

London City Airport to Bank by DLR, then Northern line to Balham - I
touch in at LCA and out at Balham without encountering any barriers -
off-peak this is £2.00

London City Airport to Tower Gateway by DLR, then Circle from Tower
Hill to Embankment and Northern Line to Balham - do I get charged two
fares - e.g. £2.00 for the DLR part touching out at Tower Gateway and
then a further £2.00 touching in at Tower Hill and out at Balham since
there is no way I can avoid the barriers at Tower Hill?

London City Airport to Canning Town by DLR, then Jubilee to Stratford,
Overground to Liverpool Street (interavailable with Oyster PAYG but ok,
you might not do this in practice), Central to Bank and Northern to
Balham - this way, you meet barriers at Stratford to exit the Jubilee
line, then barriers at Liverpool Street. Are you charged for three
journeys (Bank to Stratford, Stratford - Liverpool Street, Liverpool
Street - Balham)?

In all cases, does Oyster acknowledge that you are merely interchanging
or should you always avoid journeys with intermediate barriers? How
long would you be given to make these changes?

In short, in all of the examples you quote you always remain on the LU
fare scale (due to DLR and NR / LU joint availability) so the
interchange gates will treat you on this basis. Money will be taken off
and added back on so that at final exit you will pay the fare from your
origin to your final destination.

There is a time limit for the interchange trips but I don't know what it
is these days.

If Oyster does not take into account interchanges, then how would
Rail-Tube-Rail journeys be acknowledged as a single journey. This is
perhaps an argument why in time, travelcard type tickets will replace
all except the simplest single/return trips.

It isn't a matter of only acknowledging interchanges - it is about
knowing the fare between origin and destination. Origin and destination
is what will be checked with maybe a sanity check that expected
interchanges have been travelled through as expected within a journey
time parameter. Please note that I am speculating as to the method of
working here - I have not seen anything on how London Wide PAYG on all
rail modes will work.

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Paul C

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