John B wrote:

In law, a 16-year-old is a child. If you don't like that, why not stand
for Parliament and try and get it changed?

Tell that the residents who have to put up with 16 year old "children"
dealing drugs and threatening people on various estates.

Tony Martin is a sad, deluded, slighly mad person. A court of law found

So would you be if you lived on your own at a farm and were constantly
bothered by criminals. Perhaps you think he should have invited them in
and had a cup of tea with them and discussed their childhood issues? Or
maybe you do have buried somewhere in your thick head a grain of common
sense and accept that if someone breaks into a house at 3am then their
"human rights" get left at the door.

diminished responsibility. And who cares about the ethnic origin of the
child he killed? (well, racists might, I suppose).

Thats right, if you have nothing else left in your armoury invoke an
"ism". Standard PC discussion rule #1.

If you believe that the civil offence of trespassing justifies the

Since when was burglary a civil offense? Oh but they didn't take
anything did they? I'm sure they were poor innocents who just got lost
on the way to the pub and had no intention of ransacking the place if
it was empty.

Death *deserved* for minor vandalism? Why not put that in your

As you well know , no one would meet out that kind of punishment on
someone for that sort of offense but if it happens by accident while
they're commiting the crime then I doubt anyone except their familes
will shed any tears.

You really are a muppet arn't you. I bet you're a typical pseudo
intellectual lefty bull****ter who probably has a nice well paid job
and a comfy lifestyle. You don't have to live in remote farmhouses or
run down estates and have to worry about what the noise outside at 4am
every night is. No doubt you impress your friends at champagne dinner
parties with your magnanimous approach to justice and respect for the
individual. So caring , so on-the-money, tut tutting at people who
would like to get even with the scum who make their life a misery as
unreformed knuckle draggers who don't really know any better and don't
understand the complexities of the issues involved that you have such a
fine grasp of.

You're and people like you really do need a quick sharp dose of reality
before you take us all down with you.

B2003