On 14 Oct, 22:27, asdf wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:17 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
The gradual moves over several years to adopt the LU
farescale on the line north of Queens Park show it can be done. The
only complication might be how NR pricing works - IIRC Harrow and
Wealdstone is a compilation point (might have the wrong term) for NR
fares and I think this is why PAYG is accepted at H&W but not LU cash
fares as that would mean using the LU fare for other pricing purposes.

This used to be the case, but it changed on 2 Jan this year. LU cash
fares are now valid to Harrow & Wealdstone (and all the way to Hatch
End).

Yeah - I noticed that earlier today when looking at the PDF of the
current fares booklet [1] and compared it to the 2006 one.

This and other things all demonstrate that Silverlink Metro has
increasingly fallen under the influence of TfL in the period before
they take over - a bit like how Hong Kong was falling under the
influence of the PRC whilst the power of the British Governor waned
before the official handover date.

Not, that is to say, that TfL is like the PRC... I've gifted that one
to critics of Mayor Ken really haven't I ?!


Back on topic, I wanted to look and see whether there were any fares
anomalies on this route - e.g. a H&W to Euston fare costing less than
a Kenton to Euston fare - but I've already run into problems with
conflicting information. The NR Journey Planner suggests an SDS would
be £3.80, TheTrainline shows two SDS results at £3.80 and £4, whilst
the Avantix Traveller software shows it as £4.

Then of course one remembers that all London rail fares are supposedly
calculated on a zonal basis now [2]. However, it would seem, on this
line, that the LU single cash fare of £4 takes precedence over any
London zonal rail fare.

But then I end up with yet more conflicting information. Avantix, NR
JP and Trainline all agree that a Queens Park to Euston SDS is £4, and
also all agree that a CDR is counter-intuitively cheaper at £3.40.
Where this amount comes from I've no idea - a return LU fare would be
£8 (2x£4) though off-peak on LU a paseenger would be sold an off-peak
Day Travelcard, whilst the NR zonal fare table says a zones 1+2 CDR is
£3.

Looking at the Kilburn High Road to Euston fares Avantix, NR JP and
Trainline all agree again on this - an SDS is £2.40 and a CDR is £3.40
(same as the Queens Park to Euston CDR). But again neither of these
fares is what it should be under the London zonal rail fares table - a
zones 1+2 SDS should be £2.10, a CDR £3.

All of which leaves me scratching my head in a state of total
confusion and wondering just what possible logic is being applied to
generate these fares, and also - given the different results for the
H&W fare - wondering whether I can trust any of the information I get
from any of these sources!


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[1] TfL Fares and Tickets 2007 (PDF)
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-to-fares-and-
tickets-0709.pdf

[2] National Rail - London Zonal Fares
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...onalFares.html