"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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National Rail don't operate trains, it is a marketing name of ATOC who
currently have a "London Schemes" page on their website which is blank
(but maybe won't be in a few days' time?).

I don't think that part of the ATOC site is available to the public, it only
contains one section (in the menu bar) called 'PAYG Incomplete Journeys',
which is restricted access, like much of the site...

London Overground** is
likewise a marketing name for services to be operated by TfL who
currently are not listed as members of ATOC; the physical operator of
London Overground services has been announced as MTR-Laing :-
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/5328.aspx


The National Rail list of TOCs has quite a bit on London Overground though,
maybe they'll join ATOC in due course...

http://nationalrail.co.uk/companies/LO.html

The section on upcomimg franchise changes also has a summary of LO at the
end of:

http://nationalrail.co.uk/tocs_maps/...nges_2007.html

With respect to PAYG on Southern/WLL, isn't the reported provision of
readers on platforms 2, 16 & 17 something of a giveaway?

Paul