On Nov 8, 5:10 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:26 -0000, Andy wrote:

Ahh, the delights of changing operators!

From Sunday, the WLL will be included in PAYG as all the former
Silverlink Metro routes will be from day 1. Currently, however, it is
unclear as to whether Oyster PAYG is / will be available from Harrow &
Wealdstone to Wembley Central on the Southern trains. It certainly is
available on both the DC trains and the silverlink county trains that
stop at both stations (only a couple of night trains for county). If
you read the TFL leaflet referred to, it implies that Southern would
accept PAYG as operators are not mentioned on page 11, however, the
National Railway website only states Silverlink.

The TfL leaflet seems to be operator-transparent by quoting only
routes and by implication involves whoever is the franchise-holder at
the relevant time. Are the Oyster arrangements a matter between TfL
and individual operators or between TfL and the relevant rep for the
DfT/OPRAF/etc. ?

The map referred to earlier in the thread applied to the post 11th
November situation, as London Overground are shown as running the
trains, not national rail.

National Rail don't operate trains, it is a marketing name of ATOC who
currently have a "London Schemes" page on their website which is blank
(but maybe won't be in a few days' time?). London Overground** is
likewise a marketing name for services to be operated by TfL who
currently are not listed as members of ATOC; the physical operator of
London Overground services has been announced as MTR-Laing :-http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/5328.aspx


Yes, National Rail don't operate trains, but I suggest that you tell
TfL this, as their Oyster documentation and maps always seems to refer
to National Rail trains. If a person were only to look at the TfL
leaflets, they might think that Oyster PAYG is available on some
trains where it doesn't appear to be if you refer to the National Rail
information. The example being Harrow - Wembley Central on the few
Southern peak hour services