On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, R.C. Payne wrote:

Richard J. wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be
different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only
matters for a couple of weeks now!

They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at
http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2

ELL: Underground orange
NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00

LO: Overground orange
NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00.

How do these compare with the colour that was once used to show BR
services on underground maps in the dim and distant past. I recall
having a fold out beck map from about 1989 (the DLR was there, with the
Beckton line shown as "under construction", that should date it), it had
the GNC, W&C and Thameslink core in orange-outline.

This map has the W&C and GN&C in solid orange:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1986.html

But no sign of Thameslink, but then that map is from '86, three years
before it reopened. The next map in Mr Billson's collection is '95:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1995.htm

At which point the NR lines are in the familiar outline form, and the W&C
is a tube line.

This slightly earlier map is interesting:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1974.html

The W&C is shown in the same form as modern NR lines, a thin outline; it
was an NR line at the time, so i suppose this is an antecedent of the
modern style. What's more interesting is the way the ELL and GN&C are
drawn - not like tube lines, but like a heavier version of the modern NR
line, as used on the High Frequency Services map, although coloured. In
both those cases, the colouring and layout of the key treats them as
junior relations of the Metropolitan and Northern lines respectively,
which is indeed how they were run, but which seems strange to modern eyes
(to mine, at least!).

When the GN&CR was part of the Northern line, was there ever a plan to
link them up at Old Street or Moorgate? They run one on top of the other,
so it would have been fairly simple, and would have made the GN&CR a
proper part of the Northern.

tom

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That's no moon!