On 17 Jan, 17:17, JB wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:37:17 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:



From the National Rail Conditions of Carriage:

"19. Using a combination of tickets

You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they
cover the entire journey and one of the following applies:

(a) they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit
their use);

(b) the train you are in calls at the station where you change from one
ticket to another; or

(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does
not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a
passenger transport executive or
local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s)
is/are not."

In this case (a) does not apply as Woking to Surbiton is not "Zonal",
(b) doesn't if the train doesn't stop at Surbiton and (c) doesn't as
both the tickets are season tickets and neither is issued by a PTE or
local authority.

So the combination is not valid.

So would a Cambridge to R456 season ticket and a TfL zones 1 to 3
annual travelcard be valid for a non stop Cambridge to Kings Cross,
since it would appear both are zonal tickets?

If so, if you had the TfL zones 1 to 3 on an Oyster card, woul this be
a problem, as you would need to use the Oyster to out and back into
Kings Cross?

JB

I did some digging and found elsewhere (
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg06234.html
) people with email replies from WAGN reporting that you could indeed
combine a season Zonal Travelcard and a NR season (say, Cambridge-
Oakley Park). Obviously, I've asked FCC this directly as they're now
the ones in charge (and awaiting a reply), but my reading of the NRCOC
is that it isn't valid, though my mind flip flops on this everytime I
read it.

"You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together
they
cover the entire journey and one of the following applies:
....
(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does
not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a
passenger transport executive or local authority) or a leisure travel
pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not."

I read that as:
As long as you mix a season ticket ( Cambridge-New Barnet ) that was
issued by a TOC and something which is not a season ticket, you should
be OK on the fast trains (which incidentally sounds to me like you
could use ordinary tickets to extend your journey on fast trains).

Now, the question is thus, "is an Oyster period TC a season ticket,
and if so, is TfL a PTE?" As far as I can tell, they're not a PTE,
which means the exclusion doesn't apply if the Oyster TC is a season
( but it does count as a gold card I believe, which sounds like a
season to me ), so if the Oyster TC *is* a season then no go.
Accordingly, if the Oyster TC isn't a season, you're good to go.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the replay form FCC, though they are
dragging their heels on this, but I can't blame them what with all the
delay replay paperwork they're having to do this last week