On Jan 18, 11:04*am, Jamie Thompson wrote:
On 18 Jan, 07:03, asdf wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:06:21 -0800 (PST), Jamie Thompson wrote:
I did some digging and found elsewhere (
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch...005-08/msg0623....
) people with email replies from WAGN reporting that you could indeed
combine a season Zonal Travelcard and a NR season (say, Cambridge-
Oakley Park). Obviously, I've asked FCC this directly as they're now
the ones in charge (and awaiting a reply), but my reading of the NRCOC
is that it isn't valid, though my mind flip flops on this everytime I
read it.
Of course, the NCoC only set out your minimal entitlement. If a TOC
wishes to grant you additional privileges, such as using that
combination of tickets on a non-stop train, they have every right to.
"You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together
they
cover the entire journey and one of the following applies:
...
(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does
not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a
passenger transport executive or local authority) or a leisure travel
pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not."
I read that as:
As long as you mix a season ticket ( Cambridge-New Barnet ) that was
issued by a TOC and something which is not a season ticket, you should
be OK on the fast trains (which incidentally sounds to me like you
could use ordinary tickets to extend your journey on fast trains).
Now, the question is thus, "is an Oyster period TC a season ticket,
and if so, is TfL a PTE?"
Somewhere in the Conditions it explicitly states that period
Travelcards *do* count as season tickets for the purpose of this rule.
You are quite right:
(n) "Season Ticket" means a ticket (including an Electronic Ticket)
which allows
you to travel for a period of 7 consecutive days or longer and will
have one
or more of the following characteristics:
(i) it shows the word "Season";
(ii) it shows the word "Travelcard";
(iii) it is endorsed with a photocard number;
...thus if TfL aren't a PTE (AFAIK, they're associates of the PTE
body, but not full members), then the exclusion doesn't apply, and the
clause that only one of the tickets is a season isn't fulfilled.
One other thing to consider is that a Cambridge - R456 season and a
Zone 1-3 Travelcard season are both Zonal tickets and so are allowed
to be combined under clause 19a of the conditions of carriage. The
fact that neither, one or both are seasons doesn't seem to matter.
Clause 19 is clearly allows any of the options, as worded (see
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...misc/NRCOC.pdf)
I used two travelcard seasons for a few weeks after I moved from Zone
2 to Zone 5 (A zone 1-2 annual and a zone 3-5 weekly) until the
paperwork went through for an upgrade to a Zone 1-5 annual. Both were
loaded on my Oyster and there were never any problems with its use.
If you are combining a Cambridge - New Barnet ordinary season with a
Travelcard season then I agree that you are holding two seasons,
however does the wording explicitly exclude combining two seasons? I
see the wording that if one of the tickets is a season, but no
coverage if both are. You could also try and get a season issued from
Boundary Zone 3 to Cambridge, but I'm not sure if such tickets are
available.