On 22 Jan, 11:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote:



On 20 Jan, 20:01, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Mwmbwls" wrote

I don't think that it was geology that was the dominant blocker. Under
the New Works Programme, undertaken to relieve the Depression,
parliamentary powers were obtained in 1931 to build the Camberwell
extension.with a terminus under Camberwell Green However, London
Transport were not convinced that the route would pay.and the project
was postponed. The Camberwell powers were renewed in 1955 prolonging
their validity to 1961 but were allowed to lapse in favour of the
Victoria Line extension to Brixton. In 1963 the London Transport board
considered an extension to Peckham. The 1974 London Rail Study
believed the cost benefit case to be weak and so Camberwell like
sleeping beauty nodded off until most recently in 2006

Of course, Camberwell used to have trains to Farringdon, Kings Cross, and
Moorgate - but Camberwell New Road station was closed in 1916. Quite a
lot
of it is still there.

Peter

Whilst the station was indeed called "Camberwell New Road" for most of
its life (1963 - 1908), it opened as "Camberwell" in 1862 - and when
it closed in 1916 it also went by that name. All according to
SubBrit's Disused Stations entry:

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...l_new_road/ind...

Of course when any extension of the Bakerloo to Camberwell is mooted,
the idea of reopening this station (or at least opening a new station
on this line nearby) will always come up as a cheaper alternative. If
there were to be a new or reopened station then the decision as to
what lines it would serve would have to be made - there are two pairs
of tracks, one carries the FCC Thameslink service from Elephant &
Castle down to the Sutton loop, the other carries the Southeastern
service from Blackfriars and then the Elephant down to Sevenoaks.

The Thameslink service is every 15 minutes, whilst the Southeastern
service is only half-hourly - and the Southeastern trains already stop
at Denmark Hill, on the southern edge of Camberwell. Thus it would be
most attractive if a new Camberwell station was served by the more
frequent Thameslink trains, though platforms could be constructed on
both lines so it could thus be a stop for both services.

I guess the Southeastern service could itself become more frequent,
with trains every 15 minutes. One issue would be whether the
Southeastern service, even a more frequent one, would actually be that
attractive to passenger from Camberwell - it only goes to Blackfriars,
which is itself unlikely to be the final destination for most people,
and which only has interchange with the east/west Circle and District
lines. Of course passengers arriving at Blackfriars could also change
on to Thameslink trains there to get further north - but at present at
least Thameslink does not provide a service akin to an Underground
line, with trains almost crawling through the central part of the
route (something I hope that will be remedied under the Thameslink
2000 project aka the "Thameslink Programme").

Much of the above will change from December this year when the Southeastern
Sevenoaks service becomes a joint operation with FCC and runs through to at
least Kentish Town as part of Thameslink Key Output 0, which closes the bay
platforms at Blackfriars...

Paul


True - but my understanding is that's a temporary measure (albeit a
long-term one) whilst construction at Blackfriars goes ahead. I was
under the impression that eventually Blackfriars would get new bay
platforms for terminating services. Of course after a few years of
through running to Kentish Town, I think there'll be a lot of
passengers who will have grown quite accustomed/keen on this temporary
arrangement, and will be displeased to see it finish!

Incidentally you say it's going to be a joint Southeastern and FCC
operation - how's this thing actually going to work, and what stock is
going to be used?