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Old February 3rd 08, 06:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport.london, uk.rec.driving
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Default Bus Lanes: Proof Of What We All Knew

On Feb 3, 1:50 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
What's a car lane? Why aren't bikes allowed in that?


I didn't say they weren't. For the purposes of my post, "car" meant
all other traffic.


Spiffing, a shame that bus drivers on the 94 don't realise this.

The Dutch approach would be pavement-cycle lane-kerbstone-bus lane-all
other traffic, with the cycle lane usually going around the back of
the bus shelter at stops. This seems to work, but it does require the
Dutch approach to the cycle lane in that it has absolute priority over
all other traffic including when crossing side roads.


The pedestrians inevitably straying into the cycle lanes would also
need to be dealt with, it needs a culture shift. The fact that
cyclists in Amsterdam, in my experience, are a lot more sure of
themselves and their rights, makes it better. If cyclists in the UK
were as assertive, and avoided the gutter lanes that councils like,
the roads would be a much better place for all.

Bikes are faster than buses and should be on the outside of them.

I don't mind taxis *being* in bus lanes, but it should certainly be


I've never understood the reason why congestion-causing private
transport vehicles were allowed in express public transport lanes.

the case that they should not be permitted to *stop* in bus lanes,
other than perhaps at marked bus stops. Options might be to provide
"taxi stop" lay-bys or just require them to stop on side-streets
instead of Red Routes, on which *nothing*[1] should be stopping except
for buses at marked bus stops.


When I used to drive in to London, hardly a day went by without me
seeing a "broken down" bus parked in some awful place, including bus
lanes. They need to sort their own herd out.

which someone could design the temporary road layout to minimise
disruption. Bin collections could be sensibly carried out overnight,
perhaps, rather than in the morning rush.


I'm personally not a fan of bin lorries -- they smell and it's hard to
overtake them on back roads