x-no-archive:spindrift wrote:
On 5 Feb, 14:35, "Budstaff"
wrote:
"spindrift" wrote in message

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On 5 Feb, 12:30, Adrian wrote:
spindrift (spindrift ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:
It's becoming clear that they can't.
Oh, we can. And we have. We've told you to re-read your posts in this
thread.
I already have. I posted evidence that PTW's in bus lanes increase
danger.
No, you didn't. You posted links to some fluffy "But I don't like it" -
and you ADMITTED that there was no evidence that your claims for Bristol
were valid.
Oh, and congrats on learning how to quote. Now, as a follow-up, how about
posting so that your Newsgroup line doesn't contain spurious spaces which
I'm having to manually remove? Everybody else manages.
"you ADMITTED that there was no evidence that your claims for Bristol
were valid. "
I did nothing of the kind, stop posting silly lies.
PTWs are more likely to be involved in accidents with cyclists.
Increasing the mix makes no sense and addds to the danger. Try the
cycle lane on Bishopsgate to see how the mix is so incredibly
dangerous.
I find it interesting that you'll spend half your day bickering with people
on an 'Oh yes you are'/'Oh no I'm not' basis, but haven't managed to find
the time to address my clear response to your challenge to demonstrate your
anti-motorcycle views. So as you'r not averse to a bit of cut-and -paste
repetition yourself, here it is again:

quotes selfTo refer you to your own post in which you cited three url's
(I'm assuming
you were citing material you agree with):

The cambridge site is reporting campaign against the 'threat' that
motorcycle might be allowed to use bus lanes in Cambridge, despite their
being no such intention on the part of the council, and is doing this in
oppostion to a motorcyclists group. The only evidence that it offers is
'unpleasantness' in Bristol.

The CTC does not believe that the use of motorcycles can be justified.

The croydon site discounts the data syuggesting that PTW use of bus lanes
may improve safety as being insufficient, and instead uses the irrelevant
safety statistics applicable to the roads as a whole. If the these
statistics were applicable then there would be no safety benefit to cycles
using the lanes. quote ends

I'd also be interested to know just how 'incredibly dangerous' Bishopsgate
is. Are you aware of any casualties caused to cyclists by PTW's, where the
cyclist was blameless? And did any of these occur as a direct result of the
PTW being permitted to use a bus lane.

As a cyclist who also owns a motorcycle, I'm not much enamoured of zealots
who would block safety improvements on the basis of personal prejudice,
which is all you've demonstrated so far on the specific issue of PTW's in
bus lanes.

I'll ask once more, behind all the invective, where is the data?- Hide quoted text -

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The data, posted above, is that PTWs are 1.5 times more likely to be
involved in accidents with cyclists. My own experiences reinforce this
view.

I have not snipped any of the above. Where is the data posted above to
show ptws are 1.5 times more likely etc etc. Your argument is as
substantial as wind blown sea spray.