On 3 Apr, 14:32, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 3 Apr, 14:01, Paul Oter wrote:
On Apr 3, 12:11 pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
Sarah Brown wrote:
One thing I'm wondering with hindsight is whether the return portion
of my CDR from Cambridge to London Terminals would have actually been
valid for a trip from Stratford to Enfield Lock? In the event, I ended
up going straight back home from Enfield Lock, changing at Cheshunt,
rather than returning to Stratford.
I don't think so. The Routeing Guide only gives this one map:http://www.atoc.org/rsp/_downloads/R...aps/map_wa.htm
Since Stratford isn't a London Terminal, you can't use the branch on
the right on your ticket. But you can use your ticket on that line
north of Tottenham Hale, so you only needed to buy a Stratford-
Tottenham Hale ticket.
Also, as I mentioned, PAYG would also cover Stratford-Tottenham Hale,
though you'd have to get off your train to touch out, then re-enter
with your train ticket and get on the next one.
I was in a similar situation recently. I was at North Greenwich and
decided to go home to Cambridge via Stratford and Tottenham Hale,
mainly for the novelty of travelling a line I rarely use. I hold a
Cambridge - London Terminals season, which I know isn't valid via
Stratford except for the direct trains that take that route to
Liverpool Street on Sundays).
So I touched in with my PAYG Oyster at North Greenwich, caught a
Jubilee line train and then touched "out" again at Stratford at the
Jubilee gateline. This took me to the confusing interchange area/
concourse that Sarah mentioned. Like her I had difficulty finding the
right platform for the train: I found the platform number on a monitor
but there seemed to be a complete absence of signs telling you how to
get there. Eventually I found the platform, in an obscure corner of
the station, and boarded my train.
I was aware that PAYG was valid between Stratford and Tottenham Hale.
As I had touched in at North Greenwich (and because I believed that
touching out at the unique Jubilee Line "inner-gateline" at Stratford
would be counted as an interchange rather than actually leaving the
system) I assumed I was carrying a valid ticket for this short
journey.
However I got to Tottenham Hale I didn't get off and touch out; I was
now on a route covered by my paper season ticket and simply stayed on
the train as far as Bishop's Stortford where I changed to a Cambridge
train. My thinking was that failing to touch out wouldn't leave me
with an unfinished journey since I had touched out at Stratford.
So if I've got this right, I made a perfectly legal PAYG journey from
Stratford to TH, but where touching out at the TH was entirely
optional.
Do people agree?
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It wouldn't leave an unresolved journey, and the Oyster fare for both
journeys is £1, but not touching out at Tottenham Hale technically
retrospectively left you without a valid ticket for Stratford to
Tottenham Hale (although it was potentially valid until you left
Tottenham Hale.)
After typing my previous posting I walked over to a nearby tube
station and checked my Oyster journey history. I was charged £1 for
North Greenwich to Stratford with no unresolved journey.
However the fare finder on
www.tfl.gov.uk tells me that the fare from
North Greenwich to Tottenham Hale is also £1 so I haven't underpaid,
though I accept that this is a happy coincidence, and I could have
easily ended up underpaying for my total journey despite holding a
valid ticket at every stage of the journey.
PaulO