Access Systems wrote:
Access Systems wrote:
Robert Woolley wrote:
wrote:
unfortunately for some stupid reason most of those buses do not actually
have the ramp installed.
http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk...lowfloor.shtml

there are some 5,600 fully accessible buses in service in London,
compared to a quoted figure on MTA's web page at

LOW floor does not = accessible

That depends on the driver.

The vast majority of these have ramps.

Low floor plus ramp looks pretty accessible to me.

low floor with ramp is accessible, unless a lot of ramps have been
retrofitted the first couple thousand low floors were delived without the
ramps....will double check with my source in London.

my check shows that as of Sept approx 3500 of the 5500 LT buses are Low
floor, most of these have a kneeling feature and space on board for
wheelchairs but most do not comply with DDA (UK-ADA) "only the low floor
buses with the double center doors have the power ramps"

Those are the only ones with extending ramps, but IIRC a lot of the
others have automatic folding ramps, which are usually more efficient.
However, ramp reliability is a problem - probably the biggest reason for
buses not being fully accessible.

More and more London bus routes are cashless, so in future some
operators may use manually folding ramps, which will solve the
reliability problem.

LT proclaims that their bus fleet will be fully DDA compliant by 2017

I thought they were claiming 2012?

NYC TA buses have been 100% ADA compliant for a number of years...