On 11 Mar, 09:50, Tom Barry wrote:
Barry Salter wrote:

What is *needed* for that stretch of the A406 is a much more substantial
upgrade to bring it in line with the rest of the road, but of course
that ain't gonna happen because that would actually be *useful*.

Useful being shorthand for 'hugely expensive, disruptive,
environmentally damaging and a throwback to the failed ideas of the
1960s when people thought urban motorways were a good idea'.

Tom

"Failed" - sorry, I didn't catch your reason why you think they've
failed?

East London with it's A12, A406 and A13 is way easier to traverse than
any other part of London. If you've ever lived in central London (zone
1) and tried to escape London by car, you'll know that you REALLY
appreciate these "failed" roads. And before you ask why I would be
using a car, have you ever tried to get to remote parts of the country
without a car?

Living in South London with its failed public transport and its
failed, inadequate road system and its failed connectivity with the
rest of the country, I would very much like one of these "hideous",
"disruptive", "environmentally damaging" and "useless" roads to help
me carve my way through areas of FAILED infrastructure planning.

It's about time that NIMBYs stopped preventing progress and causing
the rest of the Londoners to actually be able to do the business they
plan to do, rather than having their time wasted by congestion (on the
roads / rails or otherwise).