On Apr 20, 7:12*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT), MIG





wrote:
On Apr 20, 6:39*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

Correct but if there is a rail replacement bus on a section of a line
where it joins tube services at both ends then the stations at each end
of the suspension will become OSIs and will recognise the exit from the
station where people boarded buses as part of a continued journey. Upon
final exit a new charge is not created - the gate looks back through the
journey history to the original entry point to determine the fare due.
I know this because I referred an issue from a query on another group to
someone in LUL who followed up with the Oyster Control Centre to see if
the correct settings had been reached the gates at each end of the rail
replacement service.

Is the continuation affected by what you do in between, eg does it
require a touch on the replacement bus ... is it discontinued if you
touch on something else, like a regular bus?

No touch in is needed on the rail replacement bus.

Obviously if you start at a point where the station is ostensibly closed
and the first thing you do is board the RR bus then you get that bit for
free. Only when you reach the connection point to the tube do you get
the chance to touch in (and obviously touch out on the return leg when
you leave the tube system to catch the bus). The Vic Line replacement
services are good examples of this scenario as there is no rail service
to connect to. *Will be fun though when PAYG runs north of Walthamstow
to Chingford and from Brixton NR to wherever. Validators at those places
will need to recognise the fact that someone may have got on somewhere
in central London, left the tube, caught the RR bus and are now
continuing their journey on NR so that only one through PAYG fare from
Z1 to wherever is charged.

I don't know what happens if a "normal" bus is used for "touching in".
I'm afraid I only know the high level concepts here and not the
interaction at a very detailed level. *I would imagine that if, as is
often the case, people are required to use a service bus, rather than
rail replacement, then being able to combine continuation with the OSIs
at the ends of the suspended service would be a logical thing to do. I
can't say if the system does work in this way.

It'll be a long time before I can test it out, because I'm now on out-
boundary travelcard season (and only scuppered when using the Amersham
line).

I bottled out of replacement bus when I was on PAYG and needed to get
from DLR to Stepney a couple of weeks ago during engineering works.


I know it is fashionable for people to say Oyster is a load of old crap
but there are some very sophisticated functionality inside it. *It will
become much more complex when it has to deal with NR PAYG later this
year. *And I regret I cannot take up the cudgels for anyone who feels
the system has not worked as described before you all post your
complaints in response to this explanation!

I think it seems to pretty much work as designed, but I would question
some of the deliberate implementation decisions that have been made
and, more importantly, parallel decisions regarding cash fares.

And you're never going to let us forget your views about the cash fare
issue are you? *I think it features in about 70% of your posts about
Oyster or related matters.

I don't suppose LU will stop charging the fares just because they've
already done it once.