On Apr 21, 11:19*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:42:08 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote:
Zen83237 wrote:
Nothing about the strike. What are the RMT whinging about now?
Brother Crow wants Correct Side Door Enable kit installed on the
Victoria Line, after an alleged 18 incidents of Train Operators opening
the doors on the non-platform side in the past four years.
It is left as an exercise for the reader as to whether:
a) Brother Crow's members should take responsibility for their actions,
rather than relying on (yet more) mods to the fleet and infrastructure
and blaming LU management for their mistakes.
b) Brother Crow and his members realise that they're getting a brand new
fleet of trains in the near future, presumably with CSDE fitted.
There are apparently 4 issues according to an internal notice. A way
forward had been agreed on three of the four.
You are correct that the new stock will have CSDE fitted.
I'm so looking forward to the journey to and from work tomorrow.
--
Paul C - regular Vic Line user
I've posted elsewhere on this thread about what lies behind the
strike. However I thought it'd be interesting, in light of the recent
discussion about Oyster PAYG and rail replacement buses, to note what
advice LU are giving about alternative routes that passengers can use
given that the line isn't running at all today.
The following is what appears on the 'live travel news' webpage:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravel...e/default.html
---quote---
Victoria line
Suspended due to strike action.
London buses are accepting tickets via reasonable routes.
London Overground are accepting tickets via reasonable routes.
National Express East Anglia are accepting tickets between Victoria
line stations and Liverpool Street.
First Capital Connect are accepting tickets between Finsbury Park and
Moorgate and London Kings Cross.
South West Trains are accepting tickets between Vauxhall and Waterloo.
Southeastern are accepting tickets between Brixton and Victoria.
Southern Railway are accepting tickets between Balham and Victoria.
---/quote---
First off, some of those 'alternative' routes obviously aren't new
news as interavailable ticketing already applies on them - that is, on
NXEA between Seven Sisters/ Tottenham Hale/ Walthamstow Central and
Liverpool Street; on FCC between Finsbury Park and KX/ Moorgate; and
on London Overground - in each case LU single tickets and Oyster PAYG
can already be used on these mainline rail routes. (That's not to say
that the information shouldn't be provided in this manner - of course
it makes perfect sense to do so.)
What I am interested in is the apparent acceptance south of the river
(on SWT, Southeastern and Southern) of LU tickets. Obviously, if one
holds a printed LU ticket then that's simple enough (so long as the
gateline staff have been briefed on this of course!). And obviously if
one holds a season Travelcard on Oyster then there's no problem either
as it's already valid on National Rail.
But what about people using Oyster PAYG - which nowadays will be a
very high proportion of passengers (but as yet basically isn't valid
on NR routes south of the river). I wonder whether NR gateline staff
at Vauxhall, Waterloo, Balham and Victoria (no gates at Brixton NR)
really will get the message that they should just let passengers
brandishing Oyster cards through the gates?
In the future when Oyster PAYG is accepted on all NR routes then the
gates will of course open sesame on production of an Oyster card that
only holds PAYG credit - however the issue that would arise then would
be people being charged the higher NR or NR+LU PAYG fare, if as seems
likely the NR PAYG farescale is going to be higher than the LU
farescale. In such a circumstance I guess the passenger could get a
refund from Oyster card customer services if they could be bothered
(and had a registered card), though I'd think that most people
wouldn't bother as life is too short!