On Jul 18, 8:40*am, Mizter T wrote:
[x-posted to uk.transport.london]

On Jul 17, 11:00*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:

Friend of mine was going to do night shift last night so was dressed up in
his best orange gear, when he went to get on a Bakerloo Line train, very
late I guess, he was mistaken for station staff and asked to help an old man
who was slumped in a seat. He was a Safety Engineer so knew first aid,
anyway the old guy was stone cold dead and it looked as though he had been
on the train some time.
Aren't they supposed to check at the end of the line or only when the train
is shunting do they check for people still on board?

The carriages only have to be checked when the train is about to do a
move which isn't "passenger certified" (or whatever the exact phrase
is). At the south end of the Bakerloo line, trains just reverse back
out of one of the two platforms at Elephant & Castle - so no need for
them to be checked there (plus I think stepping-back happens there at
least some of the time - though I suppose that's less likely when it's
late and the service is less frequent).


My recollection is that the move has to be properly signalled and / or
not into sidings. The entrance to many of the dead end sidings is only
controlled by shunt signals and so they would not be 'allowed' for a
passenger carrying train. In addition, the point work within the
siding areas may not have point locks to prevent movement under the
trains, and these locks are another requirement for passenger
operation.

At the far north end of the Bakerloo, at Harrow & Wealdstone, tube
trains use a reversing siding, whilst further south at Queen's Park
(where a proportion of the Bakerloo services terminate) they reverse
in the carriage sheds. I've absolutely no idea whether either of these
moves are passenger certified. (I was under the impression that LU
procedures in this area are quite strictly enforced.)


And don't forget those that reverse in the depot approach roads at
Stonebridge Park,. Prior to TfL taking over LO, Bakerloo trains
reversing at Stonebridge park used to tip out passengers at Willesden
Junction as there was accomodation here for the Bakerloo staff to sit
in between trains. Now that a hut has been provided at Stonebridge
Park, the trains run all the way in service.