On Sep 18, 8:34*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:03:37 -0700 (PDT), EE507
wrote:

On Sep 18, 7:36*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
I haven't quite seen the same scale of crowds at Stratford in the peaks
but I have seen crowds a bit smaller than that alight from a train at
Stratford - on a Sunday when the headway is every 30 minutes!

checks timetable

That's ridiculous - second busiest shopping day of the week and all
that. When oh when will we adopt standard 7-day timetables [1]?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2475974.../set-721576156...

Some of the crowd has dissipated by this point - I waited so I stood a
chance of getting the train in the photo!

Ridiculous is the word but it's worth considering that, at present,
there is no service at all on Sundays on the NLL, part of the WLL and
the entire GOBLIN. It's all buses!

I actually think GOBLIN will be more
an issue because a x15 headway will probably unleash a lot of suppressed
demand on that route and 2 car DMUs may struggle to cope.

At least the 172s will provide an extra 6m train length. What is the
proposed seating layout? Is this
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/New%...0/DMU_172.html
correct in saying it will be 3+2?

I've not seen or read anything about the layout for GOBLIN other than
the link you provided. Given that LOROL removed some of the 3+2 seating
on the 150s to create more space I'm a bit surprised to see 3+2 seating
proposed for the 172s. Perhaps it will be limited in scale to allow more
standing space closer to the doors?

The Platform 5 Locomotives and Coaching stock book says all the 172s
will be 2+2 seating, but only gives the numbers for the London Midland
order (53+4 tip up and 2 wheelchairs in the DMSL and 68+3 tip up in
the DMS.