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Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
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Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
"Ian F." wrote in message ... Didn't we already know this? http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/legacy/...il.asp?id=6771 Of course we did, but it is only today that TfL have made the public announcement. So every London local rag will now have to run their own version of the story, and every local politician will claim his share of the credit... The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-for-trains-tube-and-buses-in-oyster-card-rail-revolution.do Looks like the existing 'London Connections' style map will be tweaked a bit and called 'World of Oyster'. Presumably all those pax who have only ever focused on the tube map will assume a whole load of new lines have been built... Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their own prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably will be... Paul S |
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In message , at 10:40:55 on
Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked: Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their own prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably will be... So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the train you caught. How will the daily capping work, in that case. And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? -- Roland Perry |
Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 10:40:55 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked: Also note the throwaway line 'Train operators will be able to set their own prices for journeys.' Which can be interpreted a few ways, and probably will be... So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the train you caught. Yes - but there have been a number of previous uk.t.l threads on the matter, so I won't add to that. How will the daily capping work, in that case. Same as now, travel mode will not matter, except the Oyster PAYG daily caps are rising by 50p to be the same as the equivalent paper travelcard. According to the TfL fares announcement this is because Oyster no longer has the disadvantage of limited NR coverage. And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Last info I saw was that Connect beyond Hayes and Harlington remains outside PAYG, but don't quote me. Paul S |
Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
In message , at 11:20:58 on
Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Paul Scott remarked: So not the same fare as you would have paid travelling entirely on the UndergrounD? eg A different fare to get to Richmond, depending on the train you caught. Yes - but there have been a number of previous uk.t.l threads on the matter, so I won't add to that. How will the daily capping work, in that case. Same as now, travel mode will not matter, except the Oyster PAYG daily caps are rising by 50p to be the same as the equivalent paper travelcard. According to the TfL fares announcement this is because Oyster no longer has the disadvantage of limited NR coverage. But at least that means no individual NR fare can exceed the relevant daily cap. -- Roland Perry |
Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo... Bit of a non-sequitur he :It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able to use their Oyster card will be Watford. Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further, Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled already. I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets through moderation. It's almost as if the Standard have people writing articles on topics they know nothing about... -- Abi |
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Throwing some links in:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/13688.aspx http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...n-Jan-2010.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-questions.pdf http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...extension.html http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...r_jan_2010.pdf I presume the missing Emerson Park line on the last map is a mistake. Still not a peep about OEPs. Is the documentation still on the intranet, I wonder? U |
Announcement re. Oyster on London overland rail
And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs. Things that caught my eye a 1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their low key coverage. 2) All existing NR PAYG arrangements are to operate under the "TfL Rate" fares-wise, which makes sense. 3) There's some rather nice tables detailing the total traffic figures for the top 10 stations of each London Franchise 4) The new "Oyster Coverage" map is indeed pretty epic. I've cut it out and put it on the London Reconnections post. |
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On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote:
And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs. Things that caught my eye a 1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their low key coverage. Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start being penalty fared !! |
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On 23 Nov, 14:02, trainmanUK wrote:
On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote: And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs. Things that caught my eye a 1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their low key coverage. Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start being penalty fared !! Someone should point out that it may be 0.04% of journeys, but not necessarily 0.04% of passengers. Everyone with a travelcard may extend beyond their zones for 0.04% of their journeys or something, but if they get screwed the first time they do, that's a lot of "customers" who won't be very gruntled about Oyster. |
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On Nov 23, 2:08*pm, MIG wrote:
On 23 Nov, 14:02, trainmanUK wrote: On 23 Nov, 13:50, John Bull wrote: And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Having spent the morning flicking through the "official" media docs. Things that caught my eye a 1) No mention of OEPs. At all. TfL have since told me they'll only affect 0.04% of passengers which presumably is justification for their low key coverage. Yes but it will generate 100% of the bad publicity when people start being penalty fared !! Someone should point out that it may be 0.04% of journeys, but not necessarily 0.04% of passengers. *Everyone with a travelcard may extend beyond their zones for 0.04% of their journeys or something, but if they get screwed the first time they do, that's a lot of "customers" who won't be very gruntled about Oyster. Aye - "passengers" was their term, but its a very vague one. In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit in the paper." |
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In message
, at 05:50:38 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull remarked: And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of the Minister who posted this morning: "Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay as you go for ALL overground services in London from January 2nd." His emphasis on "ALL". Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? -- Roland Perry |
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In message
, at 07:12:32 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull remarked: In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing down OEPs. OK, I give up. What's an OEP? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OEP -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... OK, I give up. What's an OEP? I was petrified of asking that here in case I got a Malcolm Tucker-style bollocking, so I searched around. It means "Oyster Extension Permit". I think it only applies to people with Travelcards on their oyster who want to go outside their permitted zone (or something like that!). http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...781213104d6d26 Ian |
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In message
, John Bull writes In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit in the paper." Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be travelling on her Freedom pass ! -- Paul Terry |
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On Nov 23, 3:36*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Bull writes In fairness, I can understand where they're coming from in playing down OEPs. But as has been commented up-thread, it seems a recipe for negative feedback down the line when Elsie 85 from Clapton gets her photo in the paper waving a penalty notice in one hand and an Oyster Card in the other because "no one told 'er about no extension permit in the paper." Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be travelling on her Freedom pass ! -- Paul Terry Christ - don't tell Elsie that or she'll be in the papers AGAIN. Yeah, sorry, bad example age-wise! |
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On Nov 23, 3:47 pm, John Bull wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:36 pm, Paul Terry wrote: Elsie 85 from Clapton is highly unlikely to be PF'd as she would be travelling on her Freedom pass ! Christ - don't tell Elsie that or she'll be in the papers AGAIN. Yeah, sorry, bad example age-wise! Or perhaps you meant Elsie from Clapton, Somerset who is in London on a trip? -- Abi |
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"Abigail Brady" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott" wrote: The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo... Bit of a non-sequitur he :It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able to use their Oyster card will be Watford. Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further, Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled already. I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets through moderation. It's almost as if the Standard have people writing articles on topics they know nothing about... Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total ********: "The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to £3.20." Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single. Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from? Paul S |
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On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "Abigail Brady" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott" wrote: The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo.... Bit of a non-sequitur he :It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able to use their Oyster card will be Watford. Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further, Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people writing articles on topics they know nothing about... Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total ********: "The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to £3.20." Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single. Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from? Paul S That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release (they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section) You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were you?! |
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On 23 Nov, 17:04, John Bull wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Abigail Brady" wrote in message .... On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott" wrote: The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo... Bit of a non-sequitur he :It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able to use their Oyster card will be Watford. Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further, Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people writing articles on topics they know nothing about... Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total ********: "The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to £3.20." Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.. Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from? Paul S That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release (they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section) You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were you?!- Is it what the cash fare will be increased to, to coerce people into using Oyster? That's the kind of "reduction" that happened on LU. |
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The BBC article[1] quotes the 'Mayor's Transport Spokesman' as saying
that Oyster will offer the cheapest fare available; "the only exceptions are holders of certain national railcards for whom cheaper paper tickets for travel on national rail maybe available." I thought there'd been mention of the appropriate discounted PAYG fares being available to those with their Railcard loaded onto their Oystercard? - martin (lamenting the fast approaching expiry date of his last 16-25 railcard) [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8373913.stm |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total ********: "The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to £3.20." Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single. I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors. The original PDF makes it clear that the £5 Surbiton ticket will become £4.90 using PAYG Oyster in peak-time. It only comes down to £3.20 if using PAYG Oyster at an off-peak time. Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from? Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus (single cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak) using PAYG. -- Paul Terry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of the Minister who posted this morning: "Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay as you go for ALL overground services in London from January 2nd." His emphasis on "ALL". To be fair, Mr. Khan got an immediate query from myself saying 'what, even Heathrow' to which I have, as yet, not had a reply. Minor issue, really, but (like the Thames Clipper lack of true PAYG integration) nothing must detract from the great politicians and their PR opportunity. Tom |
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In message , Paul Terry
writes I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors. The original, incidentally, is at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ster-fares.pdf -- Paul Terry |
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Paul Scott writes Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from? Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus (single cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak) using PAYG. Thanks - i.e. a current 'Surbiton to U1' peak single fare. Paul S |
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On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:50:38 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull remarked: And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service? Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by Oyster. Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of the Minister who posted this morning: * * * * "Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay * * * * as you go for ALL overground services in London from January * * * * 2nd." His emphasis on "ALL". Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? -- Roland Perry There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately by BAA, not an ATOC company. |
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Paul Terry writes I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors. The original, incidentally, is at: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ster-fares.pdf Yes - so by conveniently neglecting to mention the current NR Offpeak Day Returns (CDR), they have exaggerated the improvements significantly IMO... Paul S |
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In message
, Chris writes On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote: Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately by BAA, not an ATOC company. I don't think being a member (or not) of ATOC is the reason. After all, people will not be able to use Oyster on the Olympic Javelin, which is to be run by SouthEastern, an ATOC company. I guess a decision was made to exclude certain premium services of this kind. -- Paul Terry |
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In message , Paul Scott
writes Yes - so by conveniently neglecting to mention the current NR Offpeak Day Returns (CDR), they have exaggerated the improvements significantly IMO... Oh yes, I agree. The entire process reveals TfL's preoccupation with single fares and ignores the significant reductions that can be obtained with an NR cheap day return. -- Paul Terry |
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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Chris writes On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote: Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately by BAA, not an ATOC company. I don't think being a member (or not) of ATOC is the reason. After all, people will not be able to use Oyster on the Olympic Javelin, which is to be run by SouthEastern, an ATOC company. My understanding - which may be wrong - was that the Olympic Javelin will technically be an ODA service, with Southeastern just being the ODA's operating subcontractor. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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In message
, at 10:25:45 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Chris remarked: Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately by BAA, not an ATOC company. Unfortunately, the Minister mentioned "ALL overground services". The BAA service is not very obviously a not-overground service. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote in
: In message , at 10:25:45 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Chris remarked: Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter? There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately by BAA, not an ATOC company. Unfortunately, the Minister mentioned "ALL overground services". The BAA service is not very obviously a not-overground service. An I alone in thinking that the map http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...in-London-Jan- 2010.pdf is actually rather misleading on this point? It's title is "Oyster rail services in London" yet Hayes to Heathrow is shown in exactly the same style as Paddington to Hayes. Likewise the line style doesn't change at Hayes so a quick glance suggests Oyster will be valid to Slough; yes, there is a note saying it isn't but the use of (say) a dotted or feint line would make this much clearer. |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:04:31 +0000, Tom Barry
wrote: To be fair, Mr. Khan got an immediate query from myself saying 'what, even Heathrow' to which I have, as yet, not had a reply. Minor issue, really, but (like the Thames Clipper lack of true PAYG integration) nothing must detract from the great politicians and their PR opportunity. To be fair, the Thames Clippers are a very expensive operation (given the large number of crew required) and as such it doesn't surprise me that they don't come under the cap. If they were to be "true Travelcard" services, vast amounts of money would need to be spent on increasing capacity, which wouldn't really work as a straight frequency increase as it's already the case that the existing piers are "full", with 2 or 3 boats often meeting in the same place and having to shuffle around. So realistically, short of replacing them with much bigger boats[1] and a load more subsidy at a time cost-cutting is on the agenda, full integration won't and probably shouldn't happen. [1] Because of the need for the right number of liferafts etc, you can't just crush-load them. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single. Did I read correctly that off-peak singles and returns on paper are disappearing, thus causing a LUL-style "penalty for not using Oyster" situation? Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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martin wrote
The BBC article[1] quotes the 'Mayor's Transport Spokesman' as saying that Oyster will offer the cheapest fare available; "the only exceptions are holders of certain national railcards for whom cheaper paper tickets for travel on national rail maybe available." I thought there'd been mention of the appropriate discounted PAYG fares being available to those with their Railcard loaded onto their Oystercard? Can't load a Network SouthEast card, hence the exception. -- Mike D |
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Paul Terry wrote
Paul Scott writes Yes - so by conveniently neglecting to mention the current NR Offpeak Day Returns (CDR), they have exaggerated the improvements significantly IMO... Oh yes, I agree. The entire process reveals TfL's preoccupation with single fares and ignores the significant reductions that can be obtained with an NR cheap day return. Hee ! http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/Che...s-of-South-Wes t-Trains-passengers-from-January-2010.aspx Off peak return tickets withdrawn and replaced by Oyster PAYG off-peak fares from Jan 2010 = In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak fares, there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super Off Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London = -- Mike D |
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On 24 Nov 2009 00:34:57 GMT, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: Can't load a Network SouthEast card, hence the exception. Whyever not? Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On 24 Nov 2009 00:34:59 GMT, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: Off peak return tickets withdrawn and replaced by Oyster PAYG off-peak fares from Jan 2010 = In line with the Oyster PAYG off-peak fares, there will be a change to the times when South West Trains' Super Off Peak `turn up and go' ticket is valid for journeys from London = So it won't be all that obvious when Oyster is a better deal, and when PAYG is. And there'll be a whacking fare increase on Saturdays and Sundays (I'm guessing most weekday fares are below the minimum) for NSE card holders. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0000, "Paul Scott" wrote: Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime (peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single. Did I read correctly that off-peak singles and returns on paper are disappearing, thus causing a LUL-style "penalty for not using Oyster" situation? I'm reading it that singles will still be there, but the same price, eg SWT's release only says that 'offpeak returns are being withdrawn' implying peak and offpeak singles will still be there. It would be madness on the 2nd Jan if single paper tickets weren't available, and they'll have to have a parallel system of paper tickets anyway for journeys into and out of 'London'. Paul S |
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