Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over
though


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8415726.stm


"Passengers hurt as bus overturns

Four people were seriously injured when a lorry collided with a double-
decker bus and shed its load of steel girders in south-west London.

Fire crews had to cut a number of passengers out of the route C3 bus
after the incident which happened in Battersea at about 0830 GMT.

The girders apparently smashed through windows. The badly injured,
including the driver, were taken to hospital.

Another 17 have been treated in hospital for minor injuries.

The crash happened at the junction of Plough Road and St John's Hill.

Smashed windows

There were about 25 people on board the bus at the time.

Frank Keogh, a reporter from the BBC Sport website who lives locally,
saw the aftermath.

He said: "The bus was travelling uphill. The lorry was carrying steel
girders and apparently shed part of its load.

"The girders crashed into the bus."

Mr Keogh continued: "Firefighters and emergency services are all at
the scene. There is a lot of sleet coming down.

"The bus is completely on its side. The lorry is nearby and it appears
the girders smashed through the windows of the bus."

Full investigation

A London Ambulance Service spokesman said: "Fifteen patients were
treated at the scene and transported to hospital.

"Three patients were taken as a priority - a 27-year-old woman and a
30-year-old to St George's Hospital, and a 45-year-old man to Chelsea
and Westminster.

"12 patients were transported to hospital with minor injuries - six to
Chelsea and Westminster, four to St Thomas' and two to Charing Cross."

A Transport for London spokesman said: "The police and emergency
services are attending the scene and we are working closely with them.

"There will be a full investigation into this incident."

Plough Road, near Clapham Junction Rail station, remains closed. "


Neill

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Neill gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over though

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It was
pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and t-boned
the bus.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Adrian wrote:
Neill gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over
though

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It
was pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and
t-boned the bus.

Ice.

--
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Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

In message , Adrian
writes

Neill gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over though

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It was
pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and t-boned
the bus.

With lengths of old rail it was removing from Clapham Junction depot, it
turns out.
--
Paul Terry

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On 16 Dec 2009 12:50:57 GMT
Adrian wrote:
Neill gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over though

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It was
pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and t-boned
the bus.

Good thing a car wasn't going the other way when it fell over.

Some more skilled driving by those highly trained professionals called
truckers.

B2003

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Odd, they've changed the destination blind on the front to show "sorry
not in service". What was the point in doing that?! It was
definately showing the full C3 destination in earlier photos...

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

"Basil Jet" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Looks nasty. Its not often you hear of doubledeckers falling over
though

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It was
pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and
t-boned the bus.

Ice.

********.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On 16 Dec, 15:41, stan5001 wrote:
Odd, they've changed the destination blind on the front to show "sorry
not in service". *What was the point in doing that?! *It was
definately showing the full C3 destination in earlier photos...

When the bus hit a bridge at Kentish Town West last year they did the
same and also put white stickers over the London General (that's
LONDON GENERAL) logos and all of the identifying numbers.

All of the press pictures were taken before they did it, so I have no
idea what the purpose was.

U

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On 16 Dec, 15:41, stan5001 wrote:
Odd, they've changed the destination blind on the front to show "sorry
not in service". *What was the point in doing that?! *It was
definately showing the full C3 destination in earlier photos...

I suppose someone would have been dumb enough to try and board if they
hadn't.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

In message , Basil Jet
writes

Adrian wrote:

Looking at the pic on that BBC page, the bus didn't "fall over". It
was pushed over. Looks like the truck came out of a side junction and
t-boned the bus.

Ice.

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in front of
the cab.

--
Paul Terry

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On 16 Dec, 18:57, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 16 Dec, 15:41, stan5001 wrote:
When the bus hit a bridge at Kentish Town West last year they did the
same and also put white stickers over the London General (that's
LONDON GENERAL) logos and all of the identifying numbers.

And in fact, the bus today has a load of gaffer tape over the Abellio
logo on the front.

U

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Paul Terry gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in front of
the cab.

Certainly looks like it.

More pics...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...le_and_places/
newsid_8416000/8416246.stm

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Dec 16, 7:11*pm, Adrian wrote:
Paul Terry gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in front of
the cab.

Certainly looks like it.

More pics...http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...le_and_places/
newsid_8416000/8416246.stm

Aren't they required to check that sort of thing before they drive
off? From the TV earlier, it sounds like it wasn't t-boned but hit at
an angle It must have been going some to knock a bus over.

Neill

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:57:45 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote:

When the bus hit a bridge at Kentish Town West last year they did the
same and also put white stickers over the London General (that's
LONDON GENERAL) logos and all of the identifying numbers.

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:04:10 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant
wrote:

And in fact, the bus today has a load of gaffer tape over the Abellio
logo on the front.

Hee hee. Was that Abellio you said? Just want to be sure... :)

(Doesn't quite seem as much of an issue when it wasn't their fault,
though).

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Neill wrote on 16 December 2009 19:23:51 ...
On Dec 16, 7:11 pm, Adrian wrote:
Paul Terry gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in front of
the cab.
Certainly looks like it.

More pics...http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...le_and_places/
newsid_8416000/8416246.stm

Aren't they required to check that sort of thing before they drive
off? From the TV earlier, it sounds like it wasn't t-boned but hit at
an angle It must have been going some to knock a bus over.

The truck carries the name Hird and a Doncaster phone number.
Presumably that's Peter Hird & Sons, company motto: "Safety Takes
Priority". I note that the red-and-white striped triangles that are
meant to mark the ends of the rails were strapped so that they pointed
upwards -- so that they wouldn't interfere with the driver's vision perhaps?

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Richard J. wrote:
Neill wrote on 16 December 2009 19:23:51 ...
On Dec 16, 7:11 pm, Adrian wrote:
Paul Terry gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that
the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in
front of
the cab.
Certainly looks like it.

More pics...http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...le_and_places/
newsid_8416000/8416246.stm

Aren't they required to check that sort of thing before they drive
off? From the TV earlier, it sounds like it wasn't t-boned but hit at
an angle It must have been going some to knock a bus over.

The truck carries the name Hird and a Doncaster phone number. Presumably
that's Peter Hird & Sons, company motto: "Safety Takes Priority". I
note that the red-and-white striped triangles that are meant to mark the
ends of the rails were strapped so that they pointed upwards -- so that
they wouldn't interfere with the driver's vision perhaps?

My googling (hird haulage doncaster) found other possible contenders,
although as I don't know if they were involved I'm carefully not
mentioning names.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Denis McMahon wrote on 16 December 2009
22:49:50 ...
Richard J. wrote:
Neill wrote on 16 December 2009 19:23:51 ...
On Dec 16, 7:11 pm, Adrian wrote:
Paul Terry gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

I think it was actually because the lorry driver didn't realise that
the
lengths of railway line he was carrying projected a long way in
front of
the cab.
Certainly looks like it.

More pics...http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...le_and_places/
newsid_8416000/8416246.stm

Aren't they required to check that sort of thing before they drive
off? From the TV earlier, it sounds like it wasn't t-boned but hit at
an angle It must have been going some to knock a bus over.

The truck carries the name Hird and a Doncaster phone number. Presumably
that's Peter Hird & Sons, company motto: "Safety Takes Priority". I
note that the red-and-white striped triangles that are meant to mark the
ends of the rails were strapped so that they pointed upwards -- so that
they wouldn't interfere with the driver's vision perhaps?

My googling (hird haulage doncaster) found other possible contenders,
although as I don't know if they were involved I'm carefully not
mentioning names.

Oops. Yes, you're right. Apologies to Peter Hird & Sons -- it's not
them. It's evidently Hird Rail Services of Doncaster (the logo on the
truck matches the one on their site).

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Yup. Pretty much standard practice.

Ian

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Dec 16, 6:57*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 16 Dec, 15:41, stan5001 wrote:

Odd, they've changed the destination blind on the front to show "sorry
not in service". *What was the point in doing that?! *It was
definately showing the full C3 destination in earlier photos...

When the bus hit a bridge at Kentish Town West last year they did the
same and also put white stickers over the London General (that's
LONDON GENERAL) logos and all of the identifying numbers.

All of the press pictures were taken before they did it, so I have no
idea what the purpose was.

Likewise at White City earlier this year:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/teflon/3288267846/

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

"stan5001" wrote in message
...
Odd, they've changed the destination blind on the front to show "sorry
not in service". What was the point in doing that?! It was
definately showing the full C3 destination in earlier photos...

For the benefit of Merkin tourists, and their NY lawyers.

DW downunder

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Ian F. wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Yup. Pretty much standard practice.

But why? What's the point of it? It seems just as stupid as blurring
out registration plates on cars in TV reports - anyone on the scene
could see them anyway.

Peter Beale

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

Peter Beale wrote in news:7ouiqsF3rst58U1
@mid.individual.net:

Ian F. wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Yup. Pretty much standard practice.

But why? What's the point of it? It seems just as stupid as blurring
out registration plates on cars in TV reports - anyone on the scene
could see them anyway.

The logic with airlines is that people may be put off flying with Air XYZ
if they recall seeing pictures of an Air XYZ plane in pieces. It's not a
new habit: I recall them painting over the logos 50 years ago.

I somehow doubt though that people will think 'better not get on that C3
bus, it might overturn'.

Peter

--
| Peter Campbell Smith | Epsom | UK |

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In message , at 23:33:58
on Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Richard J. remarked:
It's evidently Hird Rail Services of Doncaster (the logo on the truck
matches the one on their site).

Presumably if they do work south of the Thames, they'd have to be
referred to as t'Hird Rail Services.
--
Roland Perry

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:26:33 +0000, Peter Beale wrote:

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Yup. Pretty much standard practice.

But why? What's the point of it? It seems just as stupid as blurring
out registration plates on cars in TV reports - anyone on the scene
could see them anyway.

Because most people seeing it on TV aren't ever going to see it at the
scene.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:18:38 +0000 (UTC), Peter Campbell Smith wrote:

I'm led to believe that that sort of thing also goes on in the event
of a plane crash (where the wreckage is recognisable as such).

Yup. Pretty much standard practice.

But why? What's the point of it? It seems just as stupid as blurring
out registration plates on cars in TV reports - anyone on the scene
could see them anyway.

The logic with airlines is that people may be put off flying with Air XYZ
if they recall seeing pictures of an Air XYZ plane in pieces. It's not a
new habit: I recall them painting over the logos 50 years ago.

I somehow doubt though that people will think 'better not get on that C3
bus, it might overturn'.

It's not just a logical thing. It also affects the irrational (and
even subconscious) parts of the mind - the mental association with the
image of the fallen bus triggers an emotional reaction.

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
23:33:58 on Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Richard J.
remarked:
It's evidently Hird Rail Services of Doncaster (the logo on the
truck matches the one on their site).

Presumably if they do work south of the Thames, they'd have to be
referred to as t'Hird Rail Services.

panto Behind you!

The incident did occur South of the Thames of course, about half an hour
before I passed nearby on my bike. There was no ice at all then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Doubledecker overturns in Battersea
 

On Dec 18, 12:05�am, wrote:
In article , (Roland

Perry) wrote:
In message , at
23:33:58 on Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Richard J.
remarked:
It's evidently Hird Rail Services of Doncaster (the logo on the
truck matches the one on their site).

Presumably if they do work south of the Thames, they'd have to be
referred to as t'Hird Rail Services.

panto Behind you!

The incident did occur South of the Thames of course, about half an hour
before I passed nearby on my bike. There was no ice at all then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Nice picture in yesterday's "Telegraph" even though it referred to the
location as Clapham!

And, the previous news reports referred to the "junction between
Plough Lane and St. John's Hill" when in fact the incident happened a
good few hundred yards away!

Marc.