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Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
John wrote on 30 December 2009 18:01:20 ...
Reverting to the original debate between Roland and MIG about Essex/Greater London, I agree it depends on your interpretation of boundary and side with Roland. Unlike MIG I do not take any notice of artificial local govt. boundaries - a place is defined by its postal area.Until fairly recently I lived in Harold Wood (the last station within the GLA area) Romford Essex (Postal Code RM12, not London E or heaven forbid Havering) which makes it Essex to me. That's because you've added 'Essex' to the address. It's not part of the postal address. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
John wrote:
Unlike MIG I do not take any notice of artificial local govt. boundaries - a place is defined by its postal area. That is even more artificial! I have relatives who live in south Cumbria, regardless of the fact their postal address has a Lancashire town on it. |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
In message , John
writes Unlike MIG I do not take any notice of artificial local govt. boundaries - a place is defined by its postal area. Really? Near to where I live is a road where the houses on the east side have a SW London postcode, while those opposite start with a Twickenham postcode and then revert to SW London, all within the space of 50 yards. I suspect that the residents would probably define themselves as living in Richmond, since that is far closer than Twickenham! Postal areas (and more recently postcodes) were designed purely to facilitate mail delivery, and are based on the positions of sorting offices and the practicalities of postmen's rounds - nothing more. -- Paul Terry |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
On 30 Dec, 18:50, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John writes Unlike MIG I do not take any notice of artificial local govt. boundaries - a place is defined by its postal area. Really? Near to where I live is a road where the houses on the east side have a SW London postcode, while those opposite start with a Twickenham postcode and then revert to SW London, all within the space of 50 yards. I suspect that the residents would probably define themselves as living in Richmond, since that is far closer than Twickenham! Postal areas (and more recently postcodes) were designed purely to facilitate mail delivery, and are based on the positions of sorting offices and the practicalities of postmen's rounds - nothing more. And in any case, counties don't exist at all in postal addresses any more. It would be a bizarre basis. The boundary of a particular authority to whom one pays taxes to provide services seems like a sensible one to me. |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
On 29 Dec, 21:35, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 07:16:43 on Tue, 29 Dec 2009, MIG remarked: any county is an administrative concept and its borders are administrative and can't be anything else. No, they can be geographic, ignoring recent administrative changes. What is a geographic boundary of a county, unless the county is an island or something? Even if a geographic feature, such as a river, is chosen as the boundary, it's still an administrative boundary. The concept of the county doesn't come frome the river. The concept of administration requires boundaries and the river may be chosen. |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
Let's just agree to differ. Whatever it was when I left school (1965) will
be my take on it until the day I die. You think differently - I accept that. John |
Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
In message , at 14:57:01
on Wed, 30 Dec 2009, remarked: As Wikipaedia puts it: "The boundaries of the counties were to be those used for parliamentary purposes, adjusted to include urban sanitary districts on county borders within a single county." The same article mentions Newmarket as an urban sanitary district which lay in more than one county and which was given to Suffolk (because it contained largest part of the district's population at the 1881 census). It doesn't mention Royston however. I suspect it hadn't developed enough to be an urban sanitary district before then. It seems that the former Royston USD may have been too big to fully incorporate in either one county or the other, and half of it ended up as the Melbourn District, within Cambridgshire. The other half may have been lumped into Ashwell for a few years, before gaining 'independence'. More likely they were rural sanitary districts. A number of rural districts straddling county boundaries were divided between them. Wikipedia again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourn_Rural_District Although that begs the question of why the boundary was moved, because that's orthogonal to splitting an existing RSD into two parts. -- Roland Perry |
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In message
, at 11:38:43 on Wed, 30 Dec 2009, MIG remarked: any county is an administrative concept and its borders are administrative and can't be anything else. No, they can be geographic, ignoring recent administrative changes. What is a geographic boundary of a county, unless the county is an island or something? Even if a geographic feature, such as a river, is chosen as the boundary, it's still an administrative boundary. The concept of the county doesn't come frome the river. The concept of administration requires boundaries and the river may be chosen. If you take the earlier example of Reading; historically north of the river was Oxon and south of the river was Berks. More recently (fsvo) it was decided to transfer a chunk of the town north of the river administratively into Berks, but geographically and psychologically it's still north of the river. -- Roland Perry |
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On 30 Dec, 21:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:38:43 on Wed, 30 Dec 2009, MIG remarked: any county is an administrative concept and its borders are administrative and can't be anything else. No, they can be geographic, ignoring recent administrative changes. What is a geographic boundary of a county, unless the county is an island or something? Even if a geographic feature, such as a river, is chosen as the boundary, it's still an administrative boundary. *The concept of the county doesn't come frome the river. *The concept of administration requires boundaries and the river may be chosen. If you take the earlier example of Reading; historically north of the river was Oxon and south of the river was Berks. More recently (fsvo) it was decided to transfer a chunk of the town north of the river administratively into Berks, but geographically and psychologically it's still north of the river. Geographically north of the river indeed. Rivers are geographical. I have no problem with that. |
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