Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In article
,
(Rupert Candy) wrote:

Just to add to this-the Southeastern machines at Bromley South have now
had their Oyster pads enabled. The machines allow top-up and purchase of
weekly seasons, but no setting of OEPs. Brilliant work.

South West Trains are proudly announcing at their stations (Putney anyway)
that none of their stations apart from Richmond and Wimbledon are selling
Oyster in any form.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In message ,
writes

South West Trains are proudly announcing at their stations (Putney anyway)
that none of their stations apart from Richmond and Wimbledon are selling
Oyster in any form.

Cue the further closure of SWT ticket offices as trade diminishes ...
--
Paul Terry

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Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

Fig wrote:

Do you have a travelcard for any zones? If you do, I would say you are
good to stay on the train.

Yes but it's the "everyone must always touch in and out" problem. It could
be particularly messy on routes with semi-fast services and stations with
multiple routes to London where you don't know for sure which service you'll
be getting until it actually gets onto the platform.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On 4 Jan 2010 18:55:06 GMT, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

asdf wrote

They'd only become redundant if the stations were also staffed while
open, since the barriers would have to be left open while the station
is unstaffed, which at many stations is most or all of the time.

Depends.

Thus some stations have a CCTV equiped Help Point, where the remote
operator can release the barrier gate for you (after looking at your,
perhaps paper, ticket).

Does the remote operator have to be on-site, or can they be miles away
in a control room somewhere?

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On 5 Jan 2010 19:03:50 GMT, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

How would you solve the other problem of people with season ticket
travelcards starting journeys outside London? e.g. if I go to stay
the night
in Surrey, I cannot get an overnight return extension - I have to buy
the
ticket on the day.

no overnight return (unless you are 35+ miles out perhaps)

but

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...asing_tickets/

You can buy Anytime and Off-Peak tickets up to a year in advance,
however you'll only be able to buy these over the telephone or at a
station ticket office.
==

So you can buy a BZ6 extension for today and a single for tomorrow

(a) before you start

or (b) the "ticket for tomorrow"after arrival if the ticket office is
open
or (c) from the arrival station's ticket machine as a "ticket for
tomorrow" after 15:00

(sigh)

This sub-thread is about a hypothetical requirement for all Oyster
Travelcard season holders to always touch in and touch out.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In message , Tim Roll-Pickering
writes

Yes but it's the "everyone must always touch in and out" problem. It could
be particularly messy on routes with semi-fast services and stations with
multiple routes to London where you don't know for sure which service you'll
be getting until it actually gets onto the platform.

I still don't see the problem. You touch in at the start of your
journey, touch out at the end, and Oyster charges you the PAYG fare from
your starting station to the boundary of the outermost zone covered by
your travelcard. Exactly which route you take shouldn't need to come
into it.
--
Paul Terry

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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Roll-Pickering
writes

Yes but it's the "everyone must always touch in and out" problem. It could
be particularly messy on routes with semi-fast services and stations with
multiple routes to London where you don't know for sure which service
you'll
be getting until it actually gets onto the platform.

I still don't see the problem. You touch in at the start of your journey,
touch out at the end, and Oyster charges you the PAYG fare from your
starting station to the boundary of the outermost zone covered by your
travelcard. Exactly which route you take shouldn't need to come into it.

I think the problem is that the previous poster has introduced a red herring
into the debate. The fact that a paper boundary zone extension to a
destination outside the zones is a day ticket is not new, and neither Oyster
PAYG on NR, or OEPs are irrelevant to that issue.

Nothing has changed in his situation since last year, AFAICT.

Paul S

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asdf wrote
On 5 Jan 2010 19:03:50 GMT, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

in Surrey, I cannot get an overnight return extension - I have to
buy
the ticket on the day.

You can buy Anytime and Off-Peak tickets up to a year in advance,
however you'll only be able to buy these over the telephone or at a
station ticket office.
==

(sigh)

This sub-thread is about a hypothetical requirement for all Oyster
Travelcard season holders to always touch in and touch out.

Live with it.

If incorrect statements get made in a thread then of course thread
drift occurs.

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845 numbers
(cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

--
Mike D

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On 6 Jan 2010 17:43:58 GMT, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

asdf wrote
On 5 Jan 2010 19:03:50 GMT, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote

in Surrey, I cannot get an overnight return extension - I have to
buy
the ticket on the day.

You can buy Anytime and Off-Peak tickets up to a year in advance,
however you'll only be able to buy these over the telephone or at a
station ticket office.
==

(sigh)

This sub-thread is about a hypothetical requirement for all Oyster
Travelcard season holders to always touch in and touch out.

Live with it.

If incorrect statements get made in a thread then of course thread
drift occurs.

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845 numbers
(cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

My point was that the PP (as well as at least one other poster in this
sub-thread) had misunderstood the post he was replying to due to the
absence of this context.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In article 01ca8ef5$c1f0dcc0$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845 numbers
(cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

Is 020 7227 7886 not still working?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On Jan 3, 12:11*pm, JS wrote:
On 3 Jan, 03:17, Mudchute wrote:

I have a Zone 1 and 2 Travelcard on myOysterand wanted to travel
from Charing Cross to Catford Bridge this Saturday evening and was
hoping to be able to put anOysterExtension Permit on at one of the
ticket machines at Charing Cross but this option wasn't available. I
did manage to top up my PAYG balance though. I decided then to go to
the ticket office and (surprise, surprise) nobody in the ticket office
knew what anOysterExtension Permit was. I told them my situation and
one of them said I could just touch in and touch out at the other end
while someone else told me it would be cheaper if I bought a paper
ticket extension. The TfL website still mentions OEPs so it amazes me
that at a big mainline station like Charing Cross the staff haven't
been trained properly for the launch. Has anyone had similar issues on
other routes?

In the meantime - I reckon the advice was sound - you will be charged
correctly if you simply touch in and out. *(No penalty fare would be
enforceable even if they dared to issue).

Indeed. Today, I travelled from Ladywell to London Bridge on PAYG with
a Z3-4 travelcard: none of my local Oyster retailers knew the first
thing about OEPs when I tried to set one, although the option should
be present on their machines. I was charged the correct PAYG fare for
a Z1-2 journey when I touched out at London Bridge.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket machines
across London, it would probably be necessary to establish that the ticket
machine was broken and there was no other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of stations and
operators who don't have theOysterpads on the machines - National Express
doesn't have them at Forest Gate or Stratford; Barking (which operator?)
didn't have them before Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't have
an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for Oyster.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On 7 Jan, 17:21, Tangent wrote:
On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket machines
across London, it would probably be necessary to establish that the ticket
machine was broken and there was no other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of stations and
operators who don't have theOysterpads on the machines - National Express
doesn't have them at Forest Gate or Stratford; Barking (which operator?)
didn't have them before Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't have
an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845
numbers
(cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

Is 020 7227 7886 not still working?

I think that's the one that Saynoto0870 says just gives a recorded
message telling us to call 0845 330 9876

--
Mike D

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On 7 Jan, 18:17, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 7 Jan, 17:21, Tangent wrote:





On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket machines
across London, it would probably be necessary to establish that the ticket
machine was broken and there was no other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of stations and
operators who don't have theOysterpads on the machines - National Express
doesn't have them at Forest Gate or Stratford; Barking (which operator?)
didn't have them before Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't have
an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

And neither do London Overground.

However Southern machines do. (I think these seem to be the only
National Rail machines enabled so far)

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In article 01ca8fdc$21d896a0$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845
numbers (cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

Is 020 7227 7886 not still working?

I think that's the one that Saynoto0870 says just gives a recorded
message telling us to call 0845 330 9876

How recently? I've used it in the past.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In article
,
(Matthew Dickinson) wrote:

On 7 Jan, 18:17, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 7 Jan, 17:21, Tangent wrote:

On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket
machines across London, it would probably be necessary to
establish that the ticket machine was broken and there was no
other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of
stations and operators who don't have theOysterpads on the
machines - National Express doesn't have them at Forest Gate or
Stratford; Barking (which operator?) didn't have them before
Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't
have an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for
Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

And neither do London Overground.

However Southern machines do. (I think these seem to be the only
National Rail machines enabled so far)

I thought this was only promised for January 13th?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On 8 Jan, 01:16, wrote:
In article
,



(Matthew Dickinson) wrote:
On 7 Jan, 18:17, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 7 Jan, 17:21, Tangent wrote:

On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket
machines across London, it would probably be necessary to
establish that the ticket machine was broken and there was no
other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of
stations and operators who don't have theOysterpads on the
machines - National Express doesn't have them at Forest Gate or
Stratford; Barking (which operator?) didn't have them before
Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't
have an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for
Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

And neither do London Overground.

However Southern machines do. (I think these seem to be the only
National Rail machines enabled so far)

I thought this was only promised for January 13th?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

13th January is the date from which the new National Rail validators /
gatelines can be used to pick up Travelcards/PAYG credit purchased
online or by telephone. It doesn't seem to relate to upgrading self-
service machines.

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

Matthew Dickinson wrote:

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of
stations and
operators who don't have theOysterpads on the machines - National
Express
doesn't have them at Forest Gate or Stratford; Barking (which
operator?)
didn't have them before Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't have
an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

And neither do London Overground.

They do at Wanstead Park and Woodgrange Road. I'm not sure about the other
LO only stations but I'd be surprised if TfL themselves had dragged their
feet on this (many Overground stations didn't have any ticket machines
before TfL got their hands on them).

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845
numbers (cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

Is 020 7227 7886 not still working?

I think that's the one that Saynoto0870 says just gives a recorded
message telling us to call 0845 330 9876

How recently? I've used it in the past.

http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/f...num=1229787187
== quote
New Oyster Helpline! (TfL)
Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2009, 9:05am Hi there!

I was trying to get through to the Oyster helpline the other day and
found out that the number provided here (02072277891 - a
non-geographical alternative to 08453309881) now just redirects to a
message telling me to "please put down the handset and call
08453309876". I also tried 02072221234, but it's just an automatic
reply telling me the new number. Does anybody have a non-geographical
alternative to 08453309876
== end quote

--
Mike D

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On 8 Jan, 01:16, wrote:
In article
,



(Matthew Dickinson) wrote:
On 7 Jan, 18:17, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 7 Jan, 17:21, Tangent wrote:

On Jan 5, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

But with OEPs rapidly becoming available on automatic ticket
machines across London, it would probably be necessary to
establish that the ticket machine was broken and there was no
other one available nearby.

Yes but as stated elsewhere on the thread there are a number of
stations and operators who don't have theOysterpads on the
machines - National Express doesn't have them at Forest Gate or
Stratford; Barking (which operator?) didn't have them before
Christmas.

In adddition, as Rupert says below, Southeastern certainly don't
have an OEP option on the machines which have now been enabled for
Oyster.

Neither do First Capital Connect, London Midland or London Underground
(on their ex-Silverlink machines)

And neither do London Overground.

However Southern machines do. (I think these seem to be the only
National Rail machines enabled so far)

I thought this was only promised for January 13th?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

My local Southern station (Carshalton) has had an Oyster pad on its
machine from sometime before christmas. (And a note above saying
Oyster PAYG not valid for travel until Jan 2nd) (AFAICR)

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

In article 01ca9068$ead7f320$65cb403e@default, (Michael R
N Dolbear) wrote:

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

wrote

(Michael R Dolbear) wrote:

Wait 'til we get (via the Oyster HelpLine) to the cost of 0845
numbers (cheaper on a landline, more expensive on most mobiles)

http://www.saynoto0870.com suggests
ring 020 7222 5600 (-main TfL Switchboard - ask for Oystercard
Ticketing & Refunds -Available Monday-Friday 8am to 6pm only)

Is 020 7227 7886 not still working?

I think that's the one that Saynoto0870 says just gives a recorded
message telling us to call 0845 330 9876

How recently? I've used it in the past.

http://www.saynoto0870.com/cgi-bin/f...num=1229787187
== quote
New Oyster Helpline! (TfL)
Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2009, 9:05am Hi there!

I was trying to get through to the Oyster helpline the other day and
found out that the number provided here (02072277891 - a
non-geographical alternative to 08453309881) now just redirects to a
message telling me to "please put down the handset and call
08453309876". I also tried 02072221234, but it's just an automatic
reply telling me the new number. Does anybody have a
non-geographical
alternative to 08453309876
== end quote

Oh poo! How annoying.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Oyster Extension Permits (OEPs)
 

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:32:22 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:22:05 -0600,
wrote:

You cannot register Gold Cards or Network Cards onto Oyster cards

Another stupidity then.

It is bloody silly. I don't see why the system can't cope with just
giving a weekend discount on the Network Card cap.

Just another nail in the coffin - we know the railways don't like the
Network Railcard, but I'm surprised to see TfL go along with it.

Richard.

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On 3 Jan, 20:02, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
On 3 Jan, 19:09, Jonathan Harris wrote:





On 3 Jan, 17:40, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Chris wrote:
On 3 Jan, 15:52, trainmanUK wrote:
The whole reason for these OEP is that many NR stations do
not have barriers so if you get to your destination and see no one
there you can just walk off the station with out paying (Touching
out)

Not so....all in-zone NR stations are or will have Oyster validators -
and it is your responsibility toi touch out. Barriers or no.

ISTM you've missed the very point of the previous post. He explained exactly
why OEPs are needed. At unbarriered stations there is nothing whatsoever to
stop a passenger who entered elsewhere with a season travelcard ignoring a
validator. *The TOCs aren't prepared to take that obvious revenue risk - but
TfL do already, and are prepared to accept it.

Paul S

But ISTR that the only ungated stations on the underground are Mill
Hill East (because they don't fit) and Roding Valley (because the
number of passengers doesn't justify it). *If TfL want to leave
barriers open somewhere to save on staff costs and then be subject to
revenue risk, that's a different matter. I appreciate that there are
now plenty of LO stations wthout barriers and various 'open'
interfaces with National Rail but the number is small relative to the
number of NR stations that are ungated.

Jonathan

Finsbury Park is not gated, and one entrance at *West Harrow and
Finchley Central aren't either.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nor West Ruisilip if you walk down to Chiltern platforms and out to
car park
Sudbury town north gate appears to be almost never closed ( although
i never travel in peaks so cannot confirm peak situation)

HTH Phil

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In article ,
() wrote:

I used to use the District line from St James's Park to East Putney
at £1.60 (now £1.80) using Oyster in preference to Vauxhall to
Putney at £1.70 cash but now my Senior Railcard is loaded onto my
oyster Card I can take SWT from Waterloo to Putney for just £1.15
(and just £0.85 from Vauxhall).

I did exactly that last week and it went very well, topping up at a ticket
stop near Putney station too.

Tonight the same journey was another matter. At neither Vauxhall nor
Putney was the only wide gate working. At Vauxhall it was open but
wouldn't accept any Oyster cards so I couldn't touch in. The staff member,
when he appeared, touched my card in at an adjacent narrow gate for me
while I walked through.

At Putney the gate was shut and wouldn't accept Oyster cards either. The
member of staff told me to go through the gate at the other end (next to
him) of the line which was pretty busy (snow disrupted timetable - I was
on the 18:49 Hounslow from Vauxhall which actually left there at 19:24). I
kept telling him, three or four times, that gate wasn't wide enough to
take my bike but he kept trying to insist. Eventually he went round on the
outside, told me to touch out on the adjacent gate and opened the wide
gate.

Not impressive. The wide gates are much newer than the rest too.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:59 -0600,
wrote:

Not impressive. The wide gates are much newer than the rest too.

And feel cheap and nasty compared with the older air-powered "normal"
gates.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:29:19 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:02:59 -0600,
wrote:

Not impressive. The wide gates are much newer than the rest too.

And feel cheap and nasty compared with the older air-powered "normal"
gates.

The 3rd-generation gates (which all of the wide gates are) are a
bugbear of mine. They seem far slower and more prone to failure than
the older ones. Plus, with paper tickets, they seem have an issue
where the ticket sometimes gets stuck in the mechanism, and the thing
that's meant to write the last-used gateline onto part of the
magstripe ends up scribbling all over it, making the ticket useless in
ticket gates thereafter. (When this happens the ticket churns around
in the mechanism for a while, is eventually spat out with an 08 error,
then all future attempts to use it anywhere receive an 09 error.)