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Conor
Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.

Law against a burnt fuse supplying power to the sat / gps tracker ?
Regards,

Sorry, I missed the point unless you were having a dig at HGVs in which
case may I point you to a recent DfT study?


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Hi. This is my friend, Jack ****, and you don't know him.

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In article ,
says...
Conor
Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.

Law against a burnt fuse supplying power to the sat / gps tracker ?
Regards,

Sorry, I missed the point unless you were having a dig at HGVs in which
case may I point you to a recent DfT study?

Calm down, calm down! I don't think he's having a dig at truckers, but if
it was law that all cars were to be fitted with a GPS speed limiter, would
they have a law against the limiter having mysteriously blown a fuse due
to a wiring problem?

Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed. Just call me paranoid, but...

Pete.

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:46:46 -0000, Pete Smith
wrote:
Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed.
There must be quite a few on the roads in that condition I was on the
M61 the other day doing 60MPH and no less than half a dozen HGV's
went racing passed me eight wheel articulated's at that its time speed
cameras where erected on our motor ways .
Grant .

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:24:19 +0000, Grant Crozier wrote:
went racing passed me eight wheel articulated's at that its time speed
cameras where erected on our motor ways .

Yeah, cause a camera on a 70mph road will catch a truck at 65.


Chance are your "60mph" speedo was actually 50mph, and you were causing
thousands of pounds an hour in congestion from your Selfish
holier-than-thou attitude.

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says...

Calm down, calm down! I don't think he's having a dig at truckers, but if
it was law that all cars were to be fitted with a GPS speed limiter, would
they have a law against the limiter having mysteriously blown a fuse due
to a wiring problem?

See answer below. THere is a little leeway.

Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed. Just call me paranoid, but...

It doesn't have to be taken out of service but it must be notified
immediately and fixed at the earliest opportunity, i.e the same day. A
week later is insufficient.

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Conor

Hi. This is my friend, Jack ****, and you don't know him.

Pete Smith you missed the point, not read earlier posts.

We were discussing the proposed satellite / gps tracking and congestion
charging private cars
as proposed by the EU boffins aided and abetted by mad prof. Begg.
(not speed limiters)

I was questioning how they think they will enforce it.
What's to stop you disconnecting the device (e.g. blown fuse) or jamming the
GPS signals ?
Regards,
Martin

In article ,
says...

There must be quite a few on the roads in that condition I was on the
M61 the other day doing 60MPH and no less than half a dozen HGV's
went racing passed me eight wheel articulated's at that its time speed
cameras where erected on our motor ways .
Grant .

Car speedos overread up to 10%. It is quite feasible that your actual
speed , not indicated speed, was as low as 55MPH which is 5MPH below
the HGV speed limit. Onmy last wagon, I knew how inaccurate the speedo
was..0.5 MPH at 56MPH because the tyres were part worn.

HGVs have tacho calibration tests every two years and are calibrated to
a far tighter tolerance than a car. When was the last time your car
speedos accuracy was checked?

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Conor

Hi. This is my friend, Jack ****, and you don't know him.

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:05:40 -0000, Conor
wrote:
HGVs have tacho calibration tests every two years and are calibrated to
a far tighter tolerance than a car.
They maybe but how often are the graphs checked by the MOD ? once
every blue moon I would imagine have you ever seen or read about any
HGV driver being prosecuted for speeding on taco evidence alone .
When was the last time your car speedos accuracy was checked?
Can't tell you only had this particular car three months and in any
case the next time I get done for speeding will be my first
even the police are not bothered in the slightest about HGV's
speeding on motor ways .
I know this for a fact I was once driving on the M6 quite a few years
ago before taco's came into being and a HGV over took me at well over
70 MPH I was doing 70 at the time and he was out of sight in no time.
A friend in the car with me took his number and we called in at the
Police station just of the M6 at Samlesbury told the motorway police
that where in there and they just shrugged their sholders and said
what do you want us to do about it go chasing after him ! .
Grant .

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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Taxing motorists in the right way would make things fairer.

Usage-based

taxation is a step in the right direction; environmental tax
reform
would probably be the right direction. (See
http://www.green-innovations.asn.au/ecotax.htm) Such a system
could
naturally resolve congestion and restore some sense of balance in

the

transport system.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7


We don't need another tax to add to our vastly complicated tax
system. The only fair tax is on income (single % rate for all,
varied
by annual public referendum). All other taxes should be abolished.
Only then would all of us (rich and poor) see the true cost of
government, and vote accordingly.

The idea of ETR isn't to add a tax, it's to replace all of the
existing
ones with ones based around what causes unsustainable damage to the
environment.

I'd like to believe that. However, I still think we need to start
back at square 1 with taxation based on income, to the exclusion of
all others. Non income based taxation puts a disproportionate load on
those with lower incomes, and are therefore unfair. Council tax is a
prominent example of this.


If congestion is a problem, let the free market influence
people
to find alternative routes and modes of transport. If polluting
the
environment is a problem, then legislate targets for fuel economy
and
emissions at manufacture, like they do in the USA (albeit
non-aggressively).

A free market for transport is impossible under the current system
where
modes are treated separately by the government when proposing new
schemes, and where the current cost-benefit analysis model is
extremely
flawed, since many of the values used in them are applied to things
which are essentially "not for sale". The current market is biased
in
favour of car travel so naturally a modal shift is occurring in that
direction.

Targets are a rather blunt instrument to apply directly to the
industry;
rather by using taxation to achieve targets, the true cost of
environmental damage can be compensated for.

If fuel consumption/economy targets were legislated for, then
everyone would be driving more fuel efficient cars, instead of the
current system where well-off people simply shrug and pay the extra
tax money to run their gas guzzlers. Overall fuel consumption would go
down if all cars had to achieve, say, an average 40 miles per gallon.


I would also venture that the USA is hardly the best model for an
environmentally sound system.

I'd venture that the USA, the richest country in the world, got
there by promoting economic growth through cheap transportation of
goods and people; not by strangling free trade with punitive taxation.
Apart from slavery and cheap immigrant labour.....


I just don't think all problems can or should always be solved
by
government intervention.

Reforming the tax system to be fully environmentally-based would
(theoretically of course) shift sustainability in the right
direction by
market forces alone, without any further government intervention.
It's
only sensible to tax the use of resources which affect everyone.

It's only sensible to get off the taxation band wagon and start
legislating limits for emissions and fuel consumption at the
manufacturing level. We don't need to punish those on lower incomes
with a disproportionately greater tax burden than everyone else. The
man in the street is the driving force behind the economy.



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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7

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in:

I'd venture that the USA, the richest country in the world, got
there by promoting economic growth through cheap transportation of
goods and people; not by strangling free trade with punitive
taxation.

And in America cheap transportation seems to mean everyone has a car
from virtually the age of 16 and petrol is so cheap that people won't
walk 5 minutes down the road to their friend's house. It's cheap
transportation achieved as a result of a 'sod the environment'
mentality.

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