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Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
Article here on BBC website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8465383.stm and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. -- Paul C via Google |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:06:53 -0800 (PST) someone who may be plcd1
wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
In message , at 14:08:51 on
Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? -- Roland Perry |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
"plcd1" wrote in message
Article here on BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8465383.stm and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. This bit certainly rings true: "He had a weight not all transport ministers have had. Sometimes it's been a job either for young ministers on the way up who can hardly wait to get a better job, or for old ministers on the way down who resent that they've been demoted." The deputy prime minister wasn't like that, says Phil Goodwin |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:32 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry
wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth’s Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
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Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
Paul Cummins wrote:
In article , (Recliner) wrote: He had a weight not all transport ministers have had. Hence the two jags? Hence the two jugs! -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On 18 Jan, 14:57, David Hansen
wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:32 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth’s Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" -- * David Hansen, Edinburgh *I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me *http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 But will the electorate vote NuLab back into office again? Considerng that he made this as a *promise*, do we vote for failed politicians? McKevvy |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
McKevvy wrote:
On 18 Jan, 14:57, David Hansen wrote: I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth’s Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" But will the electorate vote NuLab back into office again? Considerng that he made this as a *promise*, do we vote for failed politicians? If "we" means the Hull East people in 2005, yes we do. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
In message , at 14:57:53 on
Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. Exactly; so any promise that he might be held to account is empty. -- Roland Perry |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:52:04 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote: "plcd1" wrote in message Article here on BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8465383.stm and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. This bit certainly rings true: "He had a weight not all transport ministers have had. Sometimes it's been a job either for young ministers on the way up who can hardly wait to get a better job, or for old ministers on the way down who resent that they've been demoted." The deputy prime minister wasn't like that, says Phil Goodwin No, the fat ******* certainly wasn't short of weight. Short of intelligence, that's for sure. ;-) |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Jan 18, 2:52*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"plcd1" wrote in message Article here on BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8465383.stm and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. This bit certainly rings true: "He had a weight not all transport ministers have had. Sometimes it's been a job either for young ministers on the way up who can hardly wait to get a better job, or for old ministers on the way down who resent that they've been demoted." The deputy prime minister wasn't like that, says Phil Goodwin It was Prescott vs the Cabinet, DfT mandarin road charging paranoia, spiralling light rail costs and the right-wing press. Oh, and the motoring population, or at least the vocal minority claiming to represent them. Prescott lost. In fact we all lost: crowded trains, congested cities, almost the lowest cycling rate in Europe and 2 of the promised 25 tram systems. Well done us. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
In message , at 14:57:53 on Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. Exactly; so any promise that he might be held to account is empty. Of course, Mrs Prescott is confidently expecting to become Lady Prescott pretty soon... |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:53:33 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote: Of course, Mrs Prescott is confidently expecting to become Lady Prescott pretty soon... She already thinks she's Lady Muck. ;-) |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:08:51 on Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? Or any other politician? Many of them seem to make empty promises to try & get elected. Why should we believe or support any of them ? Bevan |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:50:57 +0000, Bevan Price
wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:08:51 on Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? Or any other politician? Many of them seem to make empty promises to try & get elected. Why should we believe or support any of them ? Perhaps you should ignore national politics, and the disreputable senior politicians at the top, and instead look at your local candidates, or even the sitting MP? I'm lucky to have a very good local MP, and I would be happy to vote for him regardless of his party, because he represents local people very well indeed. I think if everyone voted for the best local candidate, rather than choosing by party on the basis of national issues, we might have a far more representative and effective parliament. But as long as many people stick to voting by party, we will repeat the current mess. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. It was a Labour government silly. The very last thing ‘we always know best’ socialists will ever do is listen to the market, listen to the people that got them elected. They would much rather fly off on tangents on big blues skies projects, dreamed up by a centralised bureaucracy, planners and bogus academics, the sort Labour always has wet their knickers over in admiration. They spend millions coming up with something that’s going to cost billions and eventually the rest of the Government takes one look at it and realises there are no votes in it and worse, more often than not, plenty of lost votes in it so then nothing happens because they’ve got nothing to put in its place. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On 18 Jan, 20:00, allanbonnetracy wrote:
All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. It was a Labour government silly. The very last thing ‘we always know best’ socialists will ever do is listen to the market, listen to the people that got them elected. So you are saying that the reason why a Secretary of State in a New Labour (ie capitalist) government failed to carry out a relatively socialist policy was because he is a socialist. That makes as much sense as can be expected. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On 18/01/2010 19:14, Bruce wrote:
I think if everyone voted for the best local candidate, rather than choosing by party on the basis of national issues, we might have a far more representative and effective parliament. But as long as many people stick to voting by party, we will repeat the current mess. People always talk about wanting a more representative parliament, but I'm not sure I want the country run by hoodies, wifebeater-swilling thugs and thickos. "Minister, what is your opinion on NHS funding?" "Woteva. Heard me new ringtone?" -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
What you said above is hardly unique to Labour politicians nor to this country. * I couldn't agree more; the Tories wouldn’t be anymore capable outside the comfort zone of their own world of politics. It’s just that they know it, rather better than Labour does, hence their dislike for big government. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
"McKevvy" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan, 14:57, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:32 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth's Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 But will the electorate vote NuLab back into office again? Considerng that he made this as a *promise*, do we vote for failed politicians? I don't, but people keep voting for David Blunkett in Sheffield. Peter Fox |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
"Bevan Price" wrote in message ... Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:08:51 on Mon, 18 Jan 2010, David Hansen remarked: All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? Or any other politician? Many of them seem to make empty promises to try & get elected. Why should we believe or support any of them ? Because some of them are very good. You can't tar them all with the same brush. We have had 2 very good MPs in our constituency. Peter Fox |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Jan 18, 2:06*pm, plcd1 wrote:
and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. Well I did, and it was disappointing - except for Phil Goodwin and his point that the politicians keep on going round and round without getting anywhere. Prescott said about the 10 year plan: "it got people thinking", yet he was not picked up on the key White Paper statement that we had to have a partnership between the various organisations. That didn't happen, yet it seems Adonis is now trying to lead another partnership concept. As for David Begg, words fail me... |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On 19 Jan, 09:05, wrote:
"McKevvy" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan, 14:57, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:32 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth's Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 But will the electorate vote NuLab back into office again? Considerng that he made this as a *promise*, do we vote for failed politicians? I don't, but people keep voting for David Blunkett in Sheffield. Peter Fox- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As the anarchists say, 'whoever you vote for the Government gets elected'. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:05:21 -0000,
wrote: But will the electorate vote NuLab back into office again? Considerng that he made this as a *promise*, do we vote for failed politicians? I don't, but people keep voting for David Blunkett in Sheffield. Blunkett has a very good reputation as constituency MP. Presumably, that is a factor in his continuing electoral success? |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:46:36 -0800 (PST), ticketyboo
wrote: On Jan 18, 2:06*pm, plcd1 wrote: and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. Well I did, and it was disappointing - except for Phil Goodwin and his point that the politicians keep on going round and round without getting anywhere. Prescott said about the 10 year plan: "it got people thinking", yet he was not picked up on the key White Paper statement that we had to have a partnership between the various organisations. That didn't happen, yet it seems Adonis is now trying to lead another partnership concept. As for David Begg, words fail me... David Begg's words failed him too! As Chairman of the Commission on Integrated Transport, he was about as ineffectual as any human being could have been. Too many words, no action. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Jan 19, 8:04*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:46:36 -0800 (PST), ticketyboo As for David Begg, words fail me... Well being cynical about it he's taken the golden coin as Chairman of Tube Lines so I doubt he has much to be bothered about from the old days of pushing academic concepts. -- Paul C The CfIT under Begg was extremely critical of government transport policy failings - so much so that it was threatened with being shut down. For example, http://cfit.independent.gov.uk/factsheets/04/index.htm makes embarrassing reading. As I said in my earlier post, this all-conquering fear of upsetting the motorist - without actually asking him what he really wants - is why politicians always back down. Prescott came across as a numpty at the end of the programme - trends in car ownership and use were there for all to see in his own department's transport statistics. More Livingstones and Penalosas (look him up) please. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:23:48 -0800 (PST) someone who may be EE507
wrote this:- The CfIT under Begg was extremely critical of government transport policy failings However, it allowed itself to be fooled by the lorry lobby with regard to 44 tonne lorries. I vague a recollection of Mr Begg admitting as much on the radio some years ago. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
plcd1 wrote:
Article here on BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8465383.stm and programme on Radio 4 this evening at 2000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxk9w All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. Might be worth a listen. Thanks, Paul. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
Radio 4 - the derailing of transport 2010
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:57:53 +0000, David Hansen
mangled uncounted electrons thus: On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:27:32 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:- All about why Mr Prescott's 10 year transport plan didn't happen. The plan where he told us that it was a promise, and we were to hold him to account. Maybe we shouldn't vote for him in the general election, then? That would be difficult as he has announced he is standing down from the Westminster parliament and I don't think he intends to give people the opportunity to vote for him in another arena. I did come up with the quote though, according to Wikipedia: "Integrated transport policy "On coming to office, Prescott pursued an integrated public transport policy. On 6 June 1997, he said: "I will have failed if in five years time there are not...far fewer journeys by car. It's a tall order but I urge you to hold me to it."[12] However, by June 2002, car traffic was up by 7%. This prompted Friends of the Earth’s Tony Bosworth to say "By its own test, Government transport policy has failed".[13]" He should have asked Jim Hacker - who (after receiving the assistance of his officials) learned very quickly that an integrated transport policy can't be done... Martin D. Pay I work with someone who would rather spend 55 minutes (his own estimation) in a car each morning and evening to get to and from work than walk a half-mile to his local station and catch a train for a 15-minute journey... :( |
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