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d wrote:

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:06:50 +0000
I said: that isn't a whim, it looks more like part of a policy that has
developed over time.

What it "looks more like" to you is irrelevant. Why not provide evidence
for YOUR assertion that its a long term plan?

Since you have neglected to say which council you believe is operating
on a whim, it's impossible for anybody to check. That's why it's up to
you to produce the evidence.

Does the phrase "shooting yourself in the foot" mean anything to you?

Next time try reading the whole article first:

I did read the whole article. Nowhere did it say that councils made up
policy on a whim.


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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:44:50 +0000
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
Since you have neglected to say which council you believe is operating
on a whim, it's impossible for anybody to check. That's why it's up to
you to produce the evidence.

Barnet and Southwark are 2 that spring to mind.

Next time try reading the whole article first:

I did read the whole article. Nowhere did it say that councils made up
policy on a whim.

That wasn't what the link was for. It was for this:

do it and fine them if they don't. And then in a lot of cases all the
"recycled" material just goes to landfill or gets incinerated anyway.
If you need examples google them.

I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point.

B2003

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d wrote:

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:44:50 +0000
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
Since you have neglected to say which council you believe is operating
on a whim, it's impossible for anybody to check. That's why it's up to
you to produce the evidence.

Barnet and Southwark are 2 that spring to mind.

Okay. Which year's minutes am I supposed to go to in order to answer the
question of how long it took to develop the policy?

Next time try reading the whole article first:

I did read the whole article. Nowhere did it say that councils made up
policy on a whim.

That wasn't what the link was for. It was for this:

do it and fine them if they don't. And then in a lot of cases all the
"recycled" material just goes to landfill or gets incinerated anyway.
If you need examples google them.

I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point.

Well, you've quoted the text that led you to cite it, and that text
makes it clear enough (in the 4-word sentence) that I was not asking for
an example of recycling madness, but (in the 11-word sentence) evidence
to support your point (which I have asked about consistently in every
post since you made it) about councils making policy based on a whim.

That's all I'm interested in. If your initial comment had seemed
reasonable, I wouldn't have challenged it.
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:30:21 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:-

Was there much in the way of advanced warning with the councils that do
fine? No.

The stories I have heard about this have contained an account from
the council that they start off with notes in bins. If nothing is
changed then they offer a waste advisor. It is only if there are not
improvements that a fine is issued.

I'm not in favour of this sort of fine, but I don't think anyone can
honestly plead ignorance/lack of warning.


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On 4 Feb, 08:59, Graeme wrote:
In message
* * * * * MIG wrote:

[snip]



Because he needs the physical card to do anything. *He can't go handing
out addresses willy-nilly.

What has that got to do with anything? *I wasn't asking for the
details; I was giving the serial number to the people who had the
details.

Otherwise what proof has he got that what you are saying is true? *You could
be making mischief for the card owner.

By making up a serial number at random and calling the helpline
pretending to be in possession of a card?

Or do you mean that I cunningly peaked at my arch enemy's Oyster card
and noted the serial number, and then tried to get TfL to contact him
to tell him that his card had been found so that he would say "no,
I've got it here"?

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On 4 Feb, 09:03, Graeme wrote:
In message
* * * * * MIG wrote:





On 4 Feb, 07:45, Neil *Williams wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:27*am, Graeme wrote:

The likelyhood is all they would have would be his address so nothing
was going to happen in a hurry.

And as the punter presumably had the need to travel pretty soon after
losing it (possibly immediately), the likelihood is that he already had a
new one and would perhaps later have reported it lost/stolen and had it
blocked and any outstanding balance refunded or moved to the new card,
which I think you can do with a registered card.

Neil

It was an early evening. *He/she may not have known. *It would save a
lot of panic and searching in the morning if needed the next day (it
was just before PAYG acceptance on NR and seemed likely to have been
lost by someone who was on their way out of London on NR, but it might
have had a season on it).

There were a number of reasons why I thought it was worth making the
effort.

Obviously I am alone in this.

While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you
obviously haven't thought it through.

There are obviously no limits to your determination to be
argumentative.

None of this gets us any nearer to knowing what it likely to happen to
it after being handed in.

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On 4 Feb, 13:41, David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:59:12 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I think the main problem is the bylaws councils can make up on a whim and
then have the legal right to enforce. Fining people for not putting their
rubbish in the correct recycle bins

Not made up by councillors on a whim AFAIK. Instead the Westminster
bunch introduced fines, which some councils have taken up
enthusiastically.

If government was actually interested in waste it would avoid the
over emphasis on recycling, which encourages the attitude that "it
doesn't matter what I buy, as long as I put it in the right
container when I have finished with it." A few years ago Scotland
was putting a Murrayfield stadium of stuff to landfill and if it met
all its recycling targets that was going to grow to two Murrayfields
a year by something like 2030. Madness. Since then the new Scottish
Nationalist government has announced a different plan, but I am not
up to date enough to know whether it is more sensible than the
previous Labour/Liberal Democrat government's plan [1].

What government should be doing is encouraging waste minimisation
and re-use. The residual recycling would be sorted at the kerbside
by council staff and put into multi-compartment vehicles. That would
just about eliminate contamination and get better prices for the
materials. For any residual stuff going to landfill, pay per throw.

[1] plan being as generous word to use about it.

Down my way there are general recycling bins.

On one hand, I can see that there's no point in depending on the
public to get stuff into the right container, so you have to employ
someone to sort it if it's going to be done at all.

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that much papery stuff,
for example, can usefully be retrieved once all the sticky bits of
broken glass have been picked out of it.

The best solution is to use less, and a poor second is to reuse what
one can.

Recycling, with all the extra transportation, washing and other
processes, is of very dubious benefit, even it it's done properly.

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On 4 Feb, 10:24, ticketyboo wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:42*am, Graeme wrote: In message
* * * * * ticketyboo wrote:

On Feb 4, 9:03 am, Graeme wrote:

While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you
obviously haven't thought it through.

I once spotted a lonely Oyster card on an LU train. Everyone else
ignored it as the journey out of London proceeded, until there were
only about 5 of us in the coach. As I got off, I also ignored it...
Does this thread really have much point about it now?

You didn't try and chat it up, make it feel less lonely?

The risks of that action (being seen or otherwise logged in possession
if it) probably figured in personal risk assessment...

"Founds cards should be returned to any Tube ticket office or to
Oyster Card Services, 55 Broadway ..."

It's written on the card, as is the Helpline number.

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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, ticketyboo wrote:

On Feb 4, 9:03*am, Graeme wrote:

While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you
obviously haven't thought it through.

I once spotted a lonely Oyster card on an LU train. Everyone else
ignored it as the journey out of London proceeded, until there were
only about 5 of us in the coach. As I got off, I also ignored it...

But what if it had been a bomb?!?

tom

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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:56:01AM -0800, MIG wrote:

Assuming the former, it is beyond doubt that there are physical
opportunities to get the refund.

There are also physical opportunities to bugger sheep. Of course, to do
that you have to first go to Wales, but the opportunities exist.
Similarly, to get the refund, you first have to get to one of the few
places that deal with them,

Any tube station is not 'few'. And, given that they're tube stations, they
aren't exactly difficult to get to either. Unless you live south of the
river, which many people do, and never go into the middle of town, or to
Wimbledon, Lewisham, Clapham, etc - which not many people don't.

and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so.

You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would*
you return the card? This is like complaining that there's nowhere to sell
your car, because there's no way to get home afterwards!

tom

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