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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Mizter T wrote:

On Feb 8, 8:08*pm, (Paul Cummins) wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:
Intrigued... gun licence?

No.

(Or more likely I suppose, you're not a viewer of broadcast
television.)

Nope, I have Analogue, Freeview and Digital Sat kit here, as well as a TV
and a TV tuner for my 22inch PC screen.

I am satisfied that I'm not breaking the law, and I believe I could
satisfy a Magistrate too.

OK, you've got lots of kit for watching broadcast television, so I'm
rather guessing you do watch broadcast television. I guess you reckon
that you've identified a legal loophole somewhere.

My guess is he's a broadcast engineer, and it's all for work, and so he
doesn't need a license or something. I don't really know, but he's clearly
not going to tell us until we've amused him with a sufficient number of
guesses, so that's my contribution.

Either that, or when he says he could satisfy a magistrate, he means
something quite different.

tom

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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:14:51 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 03:09:28 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Neil
Williams wrote this:-

Yep. A lot of incompetent organisations insist that Edinburgh is in
Midlothian. It isn't.

Is it for postal purposes, though? (I know the postal county is not
required any more, which begs the question why anyone bothers asking
for it).

I think you have answered your own question.

Even then Edinburgh has not been in Midlothian for a considerable
time.

You are addressing only one of several contexts. Midlothian as a
registration county still contains Edinburgh :-
http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/map.pdf

Edinburgh has been in Edinburgh since the Tories tried to
gerrymander things, before then it was in Lothian (Region) [1]. Only
before then was it in Midlothian, the 1970s as I understand it.


[1] Edinburgh District and Midlothian District were two parts of
Lothian Region.

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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:10:10 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:16:03 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:-

If the name and/or address are incorrect it might kill the warranty
because there is no evidence that the current owner is the person who
bought the television.

Is this a condition of many warranties?

It does not need to be a condition. The contract is between the
purchaser and the retailer; if a warranty claim is made by a third
party there is no obligation for it to be honoured unless there is a
condition that :-
a) the warranty is transferable, or
b) the television has been re-sold (as a non-commercial transaction)
by the first purchaser specifically "with the warranty" and there is
no condition in the first sale prohibiting such a transfer.

In practice many large retailers (e.g. Argos) will be happy to accept
a return from anyone possessing a matching (and usually anonymous IME)
receipt but it tends to get a bit complicated after 12 months when
many items are still covered by a manufacturer's warranty but there
might still be an opportunity to claim against a retailer; by that
time IMU a retailer is usually entitled to offer repair rather than
refund but the manufacturer's warranty in many cases might be
exercised by replacement with a new or fully serviced "as good as new"
replacement and thus the preferred option.

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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:12:16 +0000, Graeme
wrote:

In message
Charles Ellson wrote:

[snip]

It isn't "technical" - a receiving licence is required to use
apparatus to watch anything that is being currently broadcast over the
air but not for anything which is recorded (in that case only the
originator of a broadcast still requires a licence). No receiving
licence is required if equipment capable of doing so is not installed
or used for that purpose. In the case of a computer the mere
capability (which won't be there if there is no aerial) is not enough

Not strictly true as you need a licence to watch BBC material streamed live
on the net.

Covered by "anything that is being currently broadcast over the
air" n'est ce pas ? If it is streamed live but not being
simultaneously broadcast over the air then AFAIAA only the broadcaster
(if anyone) requires a licence (Communications Act 2003?).

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 03:04:54 -0800 (PST), Neil Williams
wrote:

On Feb 8, 12:27*am, Charles Ellson wrote:

It isn't "technical" - a receiving licence is required to use
apparatus to watch

...or record...

anything that is being currently broadcast over the
air

I believe, for that reason, you need a colour licence if you have a
B&W TV with a video recorder, because the latter is able to record
programmes in colour even if you cannot watch them on the TV attached
to it (presumably because you *could* watch them on another TV, which
itself may not need to be covered by any licence).

I think that is a bit of legalistic mince that has not been seriously
tried in court.
"Television receiver" is defined as :-
"television receiving apparatus of any class or description specified
in regulations made by the Secretary of State under section 2 of this
Act." in the 1949 Act.
The Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 has the
definition :-

"Meaning of "television receiver"
9. - (1) In Part 4 of the Act (licensing of TV reception),
"television receiver" means any apparatus installed or used for the
purpose of receiving (whether by means of wireless telegraphy or
otherwise) any television programme service, whether or not it is
installed or used for any other purpose.
(2) In this regulation, any reference to receiving a television
programme service includes a reference to receiving by any means any
programme included in that service, where that programme is received
at the same time (or virtually the same time) as it is received by
members of the public by virtue of its being broadcast or distributed
as part of that service."

but I cannot find a statutary definition of the same phrase when
prefixed by "black and white" or "colour" (i.e. without definition it
could refer to the colour of the receiver's case).

An essential commonsense requirement of a television receiver is that
it displays more or less the same image that left the broadcaster
otherwise there is no reception of a programme service (distinct from
any RF signal). A VCR not part of a system where that function is
performed cannot sensibly be called a "television receiver" as it does
not by itself produce an image to complete the process of the recption
of a broadcast by a viewer; OTOH a scanner subjected to the above
dodgy interpretation becomes a "television receiver" if e.g. a
long-distance television enthusiast uses it to detect the
characteristic audible sound produced when the video signal is tuned
to even though there is no capability to produce an image.

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On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 03:26:10AM -0800, Mizter T wrote:

you insurance or something where it's relevant? I suppose if you're
ordering something large, then knowing whether or not it's going to be
delivered to a flat might well be helpful and thus flagging it up in
the online order system is useful

Not really. There are ground floor flats, and there are houses which
have several steps up to the front door. The correct way to ascertain
this is to ask the customer whether there are any narrow paths or
entrances, steps, etc.

--
David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness

It's my experience that neither users nor customers can articulate
what it is they want, nor can they evaluate it when they see it
-- Alan Cooper

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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:23:48 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:-

You are addressing only one of several contexts.

I am addressing the government context, which is where such things
come from.

Midlothian as a
registration county still contains Edinburgh :-
http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/map.pdf

So what?


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:50:47 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:-

Is this a condition of many warranties?

It does not need to be a condition. The contract is between the
purchaser and the retailer

That depends on the warranty. The wise tend not to take out
over-priced offers from shops but instead use the warranty the
manufacturer offers.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54

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On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:26:55 +0000, David Hansen
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:23:48 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:-

You are addressing only one of several contexts.

I am addressing the government context, which is where such things
come from.

Midlothian as a
registration county still contains Edinburgh :-
http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/map.pdf

So what?

Er, that's a government function.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:28:33 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:-

Midlothian as a
registration county still contains Edinburgh :-
http://www.ros.gov.uk/pdfs/map.pdf

So what?

Er, that's a government function.

The fact that an "arms length" "agency" has got something wrong
tells me a number of things, mostly about "Next Steps".


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54