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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:44:50 +0000
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Since you have neglected to say which council you believe is operating on a whim, it's impossible for anybody to check. That's why it's up to you to produce the evidence. Barnet and Southwark are 2 that spring to mind. Next time try reading the whole article first: I did read the whole article. Nowhere did it say that councils made up policy on a whim. That wasn't what the link was for. It was for this: do it and fine them if they don't. And then in a lot of cases all the "recycled" material just goes to landfill or gets incinerated anyway. If you need examples google them. I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point. B2003 |
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d wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:44:50 +0000 Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Since you have neglected to say which council you believe is operating on a whim, it's impossible for anybody to check. That's why it's up to you to produce the evidence. Barnet and Southwark are 2 that spring to mind. Okay. Which year's minutes am I supposed to go to in order to answer the question of how long it took to develop the policy? Next time try reading the whole article first: I did read the whole article. Nowhere did it say that councils made up policy on a whim. That wasn't what the link was for. It was for this: do it and fine them if they don't. And then in a lot of cases all the "recycled" material just goes to landfill or gets incinerated anyway. If you need examples google them. I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point. Well, you've quoted the text that led you to cite it, and that text makes it clear enough (in the 4-word sentence) that I was not asking for an example of recycling madness, but (in the 11-word sentence) evidence to support your point (which I have asked about consistently in every post since you made it) about councils making policy based on a whim. That's all I'm interested in. If your initial comment had seemed reasonable, I wouldn't have challenged it. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632995.html (43 191 at Birmingham New Street, Aug 1982) |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:30:21 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
d wrote this:- Was there much in the way of advanced warning with the councils that do fine? No. The stories I have heard about this have contained an account from the council that they start off with notes in bins. If nothing is changed then they offer a waste advisor. It is only if there are not improvements that a fine is issued. I'm not in favour of this sort of fine, but I don't think anyone can honestly plead ignorance/lack of warning. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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On 4 Feb, 08:59, Graeme wrote:
In message * * * * * MIG wrote: [snip] Because he needs the physical card to do anything. *He can't go handing out addresses willy-nilly. What has that got to do with anything? *I wasn't asking for the details; I was giving the serial number to the people who had the details. Otherwise what proof has he got that what you are saying is true? *You could be making mischief for the card owner. By making up a serial number at random and calling the helpline pretending to be in possession of a card? Or do you mean that I cunningly peaked at my arch enemy's Oyster card and noted the serial number, and then tried to get TfL to contact him to tell him that his card had been found so that he would say "no, I've got it here"? |
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On 4 Feb, 09:03, Graeme wrote:
In message * * * * * MIG wrote: On 4 Feb, 07:45, Neil *Williams wrote: On Feb 4, 8:27*am, Graeme wrote: The likelyhood is all they would have would be his address so nothing was going to happen in a hurry. And as the punter presumably had the need to travel pretty soon after losing it (possibly immediately), the likelihood is that he already had a new one and would perhaps later have reported it lost/stolen and had it blocked and any outstanding balance refunded or moved to the new card, which I think you can do with a registered card. Neil It was an early evening. *He/she may not have known. *It would save a lot of panic and searching in the morning if needed the next day (it was just before PAYG acceptance on NR and seemed likely to have been lost by someone who was on their way out of London on NR, but it might have had a season on it). There were a number of reasons why I thought it was worth making the effort. Obviously I am alone in this. While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you obviously haven't thought it through. There are obviously no limits to your determination to be argumentative. None of this gets us any nearer to knowing what it likely to happen to it after being handed in. |
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On 4 Feb, 13:41, David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:59:12 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be wrote this:- I think the main problem is the bylaws councils can make up on a whim and then have the legal right to enforce. Fining people for not putting their rubbish in the correct recycle bins Not made up by councillors on a whim AFAIK. Instead the Westminster bunch introduced fines, which some councils have taken up enthusiastically. If government was actually interested in waste it would avoid the over emphasis on recycling, which encourages the attitude that "it doesn't matter what I buy, as long as I put it in the right container when I have finished with it." A few years ago Scotland was putting a Murrayfield stadium of stuff to landfill and if it met all its recycling targets that was going to grow to two Murrayfields a year by something like 2030. Madness. Since then the new Scottish Nationalist government has announced a different plan, but I am not up to date enough to know whether it is more sensible than the previous Labour/Liberal Democrat government's plan [1]. What government should be doing is encouraging waste minimisation and re-use. The residual recycling would be sorted at the kerbside by council staff and put into multi-compartment vehicles. That would just about eliminate contamination and get better prices for the materials. For any residual stuff going to landfill, pay per throw. [1] plan being as generous word to use about it. Down my way there are general recycling bins. On one hand, I can see that there's no point in depending on the public to get stuff into the right container, so you have to employ someone to sort it if it's going to be done at all. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that much papery stuff, for example, can usefully be retrieved once all the sticky bits of broken glass have been picked out of it. The best solution is to use less, and a poor second is to reuse what one can. Recycling, with all the extra transportation, washing and other processes, is of very dubious benefit, even it it's done properly. |
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On 4 Feb, 10:24, ticketyboo wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:42*am, Graeme wrote: In message * * * * * ticketyboo wrote: On Feb 4, 9:03 am, Graeme wrote: While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you obviously haven't thought it through. I once spotted a lonely Oyster card on an LU train. Everyone else ignored it as the journey out of London proceeded, until there were only about 5 of us in the coach. As I got off, I also ignored it... Does this thread really have much point about it now? You didn't try and chat it up, make it feel less lonely? The risks of that action (being seen or otherwise logged in possession if it) probably figured in personal risk assessment... "Founds cards should be returned to any Tube ticket office or to Oyster Card Services, 55 Broadway ..." It's written on the card, as is the Helpline number. |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, ticketyboo wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:03*am, Graeme wrote: While we all accept you were doing it for purely altruistic reasons you obviously haven't thought it through. I once spotted a lonely Oyster card on an LU train. Everyone else ignored it as the journey out of London proceeded, until there were only about 5 of us in the coach. As I got off, I also ignored it... But what if it had been a bomb?!? tom -- drink beer and forget about gods. -- derslangerman |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:56:01AM -0800, MIG wrote: Assuming the former, it is beyond doubt that there are physical opportunities to get the refund. There are also physical opportunities to bugger sheep. Of course, to do that you have to first go to Wales, but the opportunities exist. Similarly, to get the refund, you first have to get to one of the few places that deal with them, Any tube station is not 'few'. And, given that they're tube stations, they aren't exactly difficult to get to either. Unless you live south of the river, which many people do, and never go into the middle of town, or to Wimbledon, Lewisham, Clapham, etc - which not many people don't. and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so. You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would* you return the card? This is like complaining that there's nowhere to sell your car, because there's no way to get home afterwards! tom -- drink beer and forget about gods. -- derslangerman |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, MIG wrote:
Recycling, with all the extra transportation, washing and other processes, is of very dubious benefit, even it it's done properly. Except for aluminium, which takes an awful amount of energy to make, but much less to recycle. According to this interesting powerpoint file (in which slide 10 is also good, about the lifecycle energy cost of a car): http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/polic...von_zengen.ppt It takes 5% as much energy to recycle as to produce, and it looks like production takes 10 kWh per kg, hang on, i've just googled a bit and it seems 13.5 kWh/kg is the current figure, so for every 15 gram pop can you recycle, you're saving almost 700 kJ. To put that in context, that's as much energy as you'd expend spending an hour playing Wii tennis. Er, that doesn't help, does it? Anyway, the word recycles enough aluminium to save 2.3 exajoules of energy a year, which at 0.43 kg CO2 per kWh (a number which i found on a website) is 270 million tonnes. That sounds like a lot. The economics for steel aren't as good, but they're still pretty good. Other things, less so. I would love to see a proper analysis of the resource benefits of recycling various kinds of material. tom -- drink beer and forget about gods. -- derslangerman |
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:04:20 +0000 someone who may be Tom Anderson
wrote this:- But what if it had been a bomb?!? You mean that it was not a smart card, but instead a smart bomb. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:54:07 +0000 someone who may be Ivor The
Engine wrote this:- Same response if you enter a valid 10-digit phone number, as in 01nnn nnnnn. We still have them round here, despite what some computer programmers think... Some people put actual telephone numbers into forms? How quaint:-) -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:03:27 +0000, David Hansen
wrote: Some people put actual telephone numbers into forms? How quaint:-) Well, if Boris is tracking me he needs to know how to get in touch... 8-) |
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In message , David Hansen
writes How refundable it is in "the real world" is a matter which has not yet been resolved. If someone can provide further information the matter may be resolved. I may then be happy to accept that I was wrong and it is a deposit. Until then it will remain a price in my view. I had an Oyster card with money on it, but it failed so after getting home to the Lake District I returned it to TfL. I received not only the outstanding balance but also the three pounds that the card had cost me. -- Clive |
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:41:43 +0000, David Hansen
wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:59:12 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be wrote this:- I think the main problem is the bylaws councils can make up on a whim and then have the legal right to enforce. Fining people for not putting their rubbish in the correct recycle bins Not made up by councillors on a whim AFAIK. Instead the Westminster bunch introduced fines, which some councils have taken up enthusiastically. If government was actually interested in waste it would avoid the over emphasis on recycling, which encourages the attitude that "it doesn't matter what I buy, as long as I put it in the right container when I have finished with it." A few years ago Scotland was putting a Murrayfield stadium of stuff to landfill and if it met all its recycling targets that was going to grow to two Murrayfields a year by something like 2030. Madness. Since then the new Scottish Nationalist government has announced a different plan, but I am not up to date enough to know whether it is more sensible than the previous Labour/Liberal Democrat government's plan [1]. What government should be doing is encouraging waste minimisation and re-use. The residual recycling would be sorted at the kerbside by council staff You might be willing to pay the extra council tax but are your neighbours as willing ? and put into multi-compartment vehicles. That would just about eliminate contamination and get better prices for the materials. For any residual stuff going to landfill, pay per throw. [1] plan being as generous word to use about it. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:29:08 +0000, Graeme
wrote: [snip Hansen "fine" lingo] I'm currently trying to establish whether the Dutch Chipkart operates the same way so that I can get one for use around Amsterdam and then retrieve my deposit and any balance when I leave. And believe me it won't be the last thing that occurrs to me when I get to Schipol. If you register the card, it becomes "personal" and you can submit it with a form to get a balance above EUR5 put on your bank account... oh dear, that assumes an NL account. Minus 2.50 "administratekosten". If it's not registered, aka "anonieme", no such luck. Mine's not (yet?) registered. No, there's not a lot you can do in Schiphol Plaza to return for refund. The NS would, unless I read ov-chipkaart.nl incorrectly, do little on the spot. TBH, it makes Oyster's pain points look good. No reason why they can't put a "return me" machine in place to suck in the card, spit out coins, and send you on your merry way. Same applies to Oyster - which also needs "correct mistakes" machines instead of the call centre IMHO. Topping up the OV is also painful for us visitors. The system's geared towards direct debits from bank accounts - suspicion amongst the population it helps sneak in price increases of the "hissing goose" variety. 21st century web sites: less use friendly and offer less than bloke at counter. Anyway - to get one, the best places are the GVB metro stations of Ams CS or Waterlooplein. The GVB machines can spit new cards out on the spot (no NS ones can do this, see why later). The staff that used to grab miscreants off the metro now hang around the machines helping users, cos the machines, as per 21st century automation policy, are not very user friendly. They take CCs! Both the GVB and RET go against the flow and accept CCs. Pay EUR57 for a card with EUR50 credit "op saldo". For train travel, the NS has to enable it so they know if you use 1st or 2nd class travel (which is why many people seem to carry two..) Go to a station counter and fill in a form for that. Min 20 on the card for trains, IIRC 4 for RET, HTM and GVB services. For the NS you can also play a "where is the damn checkin/uit thing" game: gates at many stations, platform validators in Eindhoven, end of the north corridor ungated validators in AmsCS. -- Old anti-spam address cmylod at despammed dot com appears broke So back to cmylod at bigfoot dot com |
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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:40:26 +0000 someone who may be Charles Ellson
wrote this:- What government should be doing is encouraging waste minimisation and re-use. The residual recycling would be sorted at the kerbside by council staff You might be willing to pay the extra council tax but are your neighbours as willing ? This is not as simple as it may at first appear. The aim is to reduce the amount of recycling by minimising waste and reusing. As a result the number of staff will either stay about the same or reduce. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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Colum Mylod wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:29:08 +0000, Graeme wrote: [snip Hansen "fine" lingo] I'm currently trying to establish whether the Dutch Chipkart operates the same way so that I can get one for use around Amsterdam and then retrieve my deposit and any balance when I leave. And believe me it won't be the last thing that occurrs to me when I get to Schipol. If you register the card, it becomes "personal" and you can submit it with a form to get a balance above EUR5 put on your bank account... oh dear, that assumes an NL account. Minus 2.50 "administratekosten". If it's not registered, aka "anonieme", no such luck. Mine's not (yet?) registered. No, there's not a lot you can do in Schiphol Plaza to return for refund. The NS would, unless I read ov-chipkaart.nl incorrectly, do little on the spot. [snip] So no practical use for a tourist, are strippenkarts still valid on the trams? -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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On Feb 5, 8:40*am, Graeme wrote:
So no practical use for a tourist, are strippenkarts still valid on the trams? Not everywhere, AIUI - they're being phased out. But then if you buy a 45-Strippenkaart it's not as if you can get a refund on bits of that either. Neil |
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On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote: and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so. You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would* you return the card? So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their deposits. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Safety tip: never strap firearms to a hamster |
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"David Cantrell" wrote in message k... On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote: and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so. You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would* you return the card? So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their deposits. You seem to be disregarding the point that the person most likely to cash in an Oyster card is someone who is travelling home to a destination away from London (ie the zonal area), so will be using a different ticket type... Paul S |
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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:40:36 +0000, Graeme
wrote: So no practical use for a tourist, are strippenkarts still valid on the trams? They were still valid in central Amsterdam last month for trams & buses - I think you may have to have the OV card for metro (didn't use it). I noticed they are pushing something even worse than the OV card for tourists - the IAmsterdam card. 38EUR for 24 hours + 10EUR per 24h after that. Offers 'free' entry to popular museums & galleries and a 'public transport card'. Given that most museums are around 12.50 to get in and a 15-Strippenkart is 7.60[1], that's not great value unless you are a "it's Tuesday so it must be Amsterdam" kind of tourist that visits everything possible in one or two days. [1] and can be shared if there is more than one person |
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:07:49PM +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, David Cantrell wrote: and then get home afterwards, paying the cash penalty fare for doing so. You what? If you don't have a non-cash way of getting home, why *would* you return the card? So there we have it - people aren't expected to claim back their deposits. For the great majority of people, no, you're right, absolutely not. But that doesn't stop the deposit being a deposit, and it doesn't stop there being ample opportunities to claim it back. tom -- I sometimes think that the IETF is one of the crown jewels in all of western civilization. -- Tim O'Reilly |
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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:13:20 +0000, Ivor The Engine
wrote: I noticed they are pushing something even worse than the OV card for tourists - the IAmsterdam card. That's been around for a while in various forms, and is indeed poor value unless you use its other components heavily. Amsterdam is a very compact city, though, and it can be argued that unless you're staying outside the city or it's ****ing down, the only public transport you're likely to *need* is from Schiphol to Centraal and back. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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In message , Chris Tolley
writes I don't need examples. I need to know that you are making a valid point. Unfortunately, when challenged on specific points you often melt away into the background. Looks like you're doing so again. My pole tax is broken down into components, so that I can see how much goes where. Why is it that despite no drop in the collection of rubbish cost, I now only have a twice monthly collection and I have to do my own recycling, it's just another con. Oh and did you see that programme on what chief councillors are paying themselves? More than £150,000. in many cases, why don't hey come and sort out my rubbish for that sort of take from the public purse? -- Clive |
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In message , Ivor The Engine
writes Same response if you enter a valid 10-digit phone number, as in 01nnn nnnnn. We still have them round here, despite what some computer programmers think... I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is likely too be the same. -- Clive |
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Neil Williams wrote on Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:28:17 +0000:
Amsterdam is a very compact city, though, and it can be argued that unless you're staying outside the city or it's ****ing down, the only public transport you're likely to *need* is from Schiphol to Centraal and back. Not even then if you've taken your bike with you :) -- Regards Alex How the Internet is supposed to work: http://www.rfc-editor.org/ |
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Clive wrote:
My pole tax is broken down into components, so that I can see how much goes where. Gosh. You must really employ a lot of plumbers. Why is it that despite no drop in the collection of rubbish cost, I now only have a twice monthly collection and I have to do my own recycling, it's just another con. You seem to have asked parts of several different questions there, without ever getting to the end of any of them, and instead given up with the idea of the question before the end of the sentence. Are you actually trying to find something out? If so, what? Oh and did you see that programme on what chief councillors are paying themselves? No, I saw the other one. More than £150,000. in many cases, why don't hey come and sort out my rubbish for that sort of take from the public purse? I think I can understand that question. I suspect the reason that Council Chief Executives don't come and sort your rubbish for you is that if they did, your "pole tax" would have to be a lot higher. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9638814.html (Five class 08 shunters in a line at Stratford Depot, 4 Jul 1981) |
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Clive wrote:
I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is likely too be the same. .... and there's absolutely no chance that you would have made a mistake or typing error on the screen? -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9682597.html (66 552 at Longsight, 10 Jun 2002) |
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:34:31 +0000, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote: I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is likely too be the same. ... and there's absolutely no chance that you would have made a mistake or typing error on the screen? I think his spill chucker is broken. |
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In message , Chris Tolley
writes Clive wrote: I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is likely too be the same. ... and there's absolutely no chance that you would have made a mistake or typing error on the screen? No, I go back to the incorrect field which is usually marked with a star and it's asking for a proper telephone number. -- Clive |
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In message , Ivor The Engine
writes think his spill chucker is broken. I thunk it is as will. -- Clive |
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"Clive" wrote in message ... | In message , Chris Tolley | writes | Clive wrote: | | I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my | phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. Normally after about two | tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is | likely too be the same. | | ... and there's absolutely no chance that you would have made a mistake | or typing error on the screen? | | No, I go back to the incorrect field which is usually marked with a star | and it's asking for a proper telephone number. Is that the same software that refuses to accept any house number ending in "A" (and there are quite a few) because it thinks you are living in a flat or maisonette? Even the Post Office uses this rubbish software, as I found out when I booked travel insurance from them. Argos does as well, resulting in me having to fill in a form at the counter, not on their pay terminal, when I bought a TV from them. My house number ends in "A", not because it is a subdivision of one house but because it was built on an infill site and the Post Office did not think it necessary to renumber every house on from us on our side of the road. So software they use does not recognise house numbers they have actually allocated! There is far too much software written without checking or thinking about whether it will actually work in the real world. -- - Yokel - "Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read. |
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On 6 Feb, 21:43, "Yokel" wrote:
"Clive" wrote in message ... | In message , Chris Tolley | writes| Clive wrote: | | I have frequently been refused onto a sight and redirected to correct my | phone number as it's only 10 digits in total. * Normally after about two | tries I give up, If the software is so sloppy then their service is | likely too be the same. | | ... and there's absolutely no chance that you would have made a mistake | or typing error on the screen? | | No, I go back to the incorrect field which is usually marked with a star | and it's asking for a proper telephone number. Is that the same software that refuses to accept any house number ending in "A" (and there are quite a few) because it thinks you are living in a flat or maisonette? *Even the Post Office uses this rubbish software, as I found out when I booked travel insurance from them. *Argos does as well, resulting in me having to fill in a form at the counter, not on their pay terminal, when I bought a TV from them. *My house number ends in "A", not because it is a subdivision of one house but because it was built on an infill site and the Post Office did not think it necessary to renumber every house on from us on our side of *the road. *So software they use does not recognise house numbers they have actually allocated! There is far too much software written without checking or thinking about whether it will actually work in the real world. Living in London, I have trouble with the ones that insist on a county. |
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On Feb 6, 10:26*pm, MIG wrote: On 6 Feb, 21:43, "Yokel" wrote: [snip] Is that the same software that refuses to accept any house number ending in "A" (and there are quite a few) because it thinks you are living in a flat or maisonette? *Even the Post Office uses this rubbish software, as I found out when I booked travel insurance from them. *Argos does as well, resulting in me having to fill in a form at the counter, not on their pay terminal, when I bought a TV from them. *My house number ends in "A", not because it is a subdivision of one house but because it was built on an infill site and the Post Office did not think it necessary to renumber every house on from us on our side of *the road. *So software they use does not recognise house numbers they have actually allocated! There is far too much software written without checking or thinking about whether it will actually work in the real world. Living in London, I have trouble with the ones that insist on a county. There was one company I had recent online dealings with that didn't have any sort of London option at all - I'm quite sure a good many Londoners wouldn't be too sure of their 'historic' county, for example how many know exactly where ye olde dividing line between Kent and Surrey lay? I've got a broad idea, but that's only coz I've looked it up on maps of yore. |
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On Feb 6, 9:43*pm, "Yokel" wrote: [snip] Is that the same software that refuses to accept any house number ending in "A" (and there are quite a few) because it thinks you are living in a flat or maisonette? *Even the Post Office uses this rubbish software, as I found out when I booked travel insurance from them. *Argos does as well, resulting in me having to fill in a form at the counter, not on their pay terminal, when I bought a TV from them. *My house number ends in "A", not because it is a subdivision of one house but because it was built on an infill site and the Post Office did not think it necessary to renumber every house on from us on our side of *the road. *So software they use does not recognise house numbers they have actually allocated! There is far too much software written without checking or thinking about whether it will actually work in the real world. Why does it need to know whether you live in a house or flat/ maisonette, and for that matter what would it matter if it thought you did live in a flat? |
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:07:52 +0000 someone who may be Clive
wrote this:- Why is it that despite no drop in the collection of rubbish cost, I now only have a twice monthly collection Most unlikely. You presumably have a collection of residual waste every fortnight and between these have a collection of one or more recycling boxes/bins. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:43:54 -0000 someone who may be "Yokel"
wrote this:- Argos does as well, resulting in me having to fill in a form at the counter, not on their pay terminal, when I bought a TV from them. Why fill in a form with an address when buying a television? BBC tax? I find that the address of the BBC television licence bods does nicely to deal with that sort of Stalinism. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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