Hi,

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail services.";
that suggests that there are services where it is specifically valid.
Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular, does it include WAGN's
Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the Silverlink north London
orbital route (that runs through Hackney Central and Finchley Road,
amongst other places). Also, does it make any difference if it's a student
LT card?

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

Thanks,
tom

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:01:28 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Hi,

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail services.";
that suggests that there are services where it is specifically valid.
Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular, does it include WAGN's
Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the Silverlink north London
orbital route (that runs through Hackney Central and Finchley Road,
amongst other places). Also, does it make any difference if it's a student
LT card?

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

Thanks,
tom

It's only valid on NR services where they parallel Underground routes,
such as Richmond - Gunnersbury and Barking - Upminster, so they are
not valid throughout Silverlink. Student LT Cards have identical
validities to the day ones.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:01:28 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail
services."; that suggests that there are services where it is
specifically valid. Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular,
does it include WAGN's Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the
Silverlink north London orbital route (that runs through Hackney
Central and Finchley Road, amongst other places).

By 'Finchley Road', i obviously mean 'West Hampstead'. Oops.

Also, does it make any difference if it's a student LT card?

It's only valid on NR services where they parallel Underground routes,
such as Richmond - Gunnersbury and Barking - Upminster, so they are not
valid throughout Silverlink. Student LT Cards have identical validities
to the day ones.

Okay, thanks.

When did this last change? The thing is, when i started being a student in
London, a few months ago, there was a big story in a student paper about
how our Great Helmsman, Mr Livingstone, had changed the rules in such a
way to make the LT card more use to people living in northeast London. Did
i imagine that?

Thanks,
tom

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wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Hi,

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail services.";
that suggests that there are services where it is specifically valid.
Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular, does it include WAGN's
Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the Silverlink north London
orbital route (that runs through Hackney Central and Finchley Road,
amongst other places). Also, does it make any difference if it's a
student
LT card?

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

It's only valid on NR services where they parallel Underground routes,
such as Richmond - Gunnersbury and Barking - Upminster,

Upminster - Fenchurch Street, in fact.

Also Stratford - Liverpool Street and, IIRC, Kings Cross - Finsbury Park.

OTOH, I believe LT Cards are not valid on either National Rail or the
Bakerloo Line where they share the same tracks up to Harrow & Wealdstone.
Fares on this section are set by National Rail, not LU.

Chris

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
Hi,

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail services.";
that suggests that there are services where it is specifically valid.
Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular, does it include WAGN's
Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the Silverlink north London
orbital route (that runs through Hackney Central and Finchley Road,
amongst other places). Also, does it make any difference if it's a student
LT card?

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

The full list of NR service on which LT cards are valid a

Amersham - Marylebone
Finsbury Park - King's Cross/Moorgate
Kentish Town - Moorgate/Elephant & Castle/London Bridge
Kenton - Euston (not at Kilburn High Road or South Hampstead)
Liverpool Street - Walthamstow Central/Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters (not at
any intermediate stations)
Richmond - Gunnersbury
Stratford - Custom House
Stratford - Liverpool Street
Upminster - Fenchurch Street/Liverpool Street
West Ruislip - South Ruislip

Peter Smyth

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

If you go to TfL's website and select Fares and Tickets from the menu you
are taken to a page that immediately mentions a leaflet
(http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/fa...ts-may2003.pdf) that you can
download, and that is where you can find the information. TfL's website is
a bit annoying like that.

Peter Smyth has already given the list though

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:55:34 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

It's only valid on NR services where they parallel Underground routes,
such as Richmond - Gunnersbury and Barking - Upminster, so they are
not valid throughout Silverlink. Student LT Cards have identical
validities to the day ones.

AIUI, it's only valid on NR services where the fares are controlled by
LUL. It is *not* valid on the Bakerloo (National Rail *or* tube)
between somewhere I can't recall and Harrow & Wealdstone, because
Silverlink set the fares for that section.

TBH, it seems to be a bit of an anachronism, and could probably do
with being abolished in favour of the Peak Day travelcard and normal
Travelcard seasons.

Neil

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Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
Hi,

TfL says "The LT Card is not generally valid on National Rail services.";
that suggests that there are services where it is specifically valid.
Could anyone tell me what they are? In particular, does it include WAGN's
Liverpool Street to Chingford service, or the Silverlink north London
orbital route (that runs through Hackney Central and Finchley Road,
amongst other places). Also, does it make any difference if it's a student
LT card?

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/fa...ts-may2003.pdf on page 18
has the full list of National Rail services for which LU tickets
(including LT Cards) are valid.

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Graham J wrote:

I've googled the web and this group, looked on TfL's website and asked a
chap at a tube station, but haven't found an answer.

If you go to TfL's website and select Fares and Tickets from the menu
you are taken to a page that immediately mentions a leaflet
(http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/fa...ts-may2003.pdf) that you
can download, and that is where you can find the information.

Aaha!

TfL's website is a bit annoying like that.

It is. Thanks for the pointer.

Peter Smyth has already given the list though

Thankyou Mr Smyth!

tom

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:55:34 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

It's only valid on NR services where they parallel Underground routes,
such as Richmond - Gunnersbury and Barking - Upminster, so they are
not valid throughout Silverlink. Student LT Cards have identical
validities to the day ones.

AIUI, it's only valid on NR services where the fares are controlled by
LUL. It is *not* valid on the Bakerloo (National Rail *or* tube)
between somewhere I can't recall and Harrow & Wealdstone, because
Silverlink set the fares for that section.

Okay, that sort of makes sense of it all.

TBH, it seems to be a bit of an anachronism, and could probably do with
being abolished in favour of the Peak Day travelcard and normal
Travelcard seasons.

Yes. I understand that this is impossible because the surface rail
operators won't agree; incidentally, they also don't want to give a young
person's railcard discount on their seasons (at least, the one i want to
buy), as otherwise they could probably just be persuaded that an LT
student photocard counts as one (or vice versa). Anyway, whinge whinge
etc.

tom

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