Number 8 bus
 

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?

Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW
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Hello Kat , on Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:34:56
+0000 you typed the following:
Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?

Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW

Prehaps the bus that was suppoed to that route was in for serviceing
and so they used that one instead?

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:34:56 +0000, Kat
wrote:

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?


It''s painted in the dark green livery which was used by London
Transport's country bus services, as they were, before they were spun
off into a separate company in 1970. Until then London Transport's
bus services extended to places like Reigate and St Albans and beyond.
When London Transport came under the control of the GLC it made more
sense for the country services to be transferred to a new subsidiary
the (publicly owned) National Bus Company.

Quite a few Routemasters were originally used in the country area, so
presumably this one has been painted in its original colours.

Martin

Number 8 bus
 

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:23:30 +0000, Martin Rich
wrote:

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?


It''s painted in the dark green livery which was used by London
Transport's country bus services, as they were, before they were spun
off into a separate company in 1970. Until then London Transport's
bus services extended to places like Reigate and St Albans and beyond.
When London Transport came under the control of the GLC it made more
sense for the country services to be transferred to a new subsidiary
the (publicly owned) National Bus Company.

Quite a few Routemasters were originally used in the country area, so
presumably this one has been painted in its original colours.

It's one of the JJD reg RMLs, I think 2456. (J)JD was once listed as a
West Ham vehicle registration, and I think it originally ran out on an
East London garage (BW? U? WH even?) on routes such as the 8, 15, 25.
Several red RMLs were transferred to the Country area (or LCBS, the
successor companies) in about the early 70s. I'm fairly certain I
remember this bus on the 441 route in the mid-70s. In those days they
had an odd green knob on a spring attached to them, a bit like a tube
car strap handle, presumable to help drivers judge where the kerb was.

Number 8 bus
 

"Kat" wrote in message
...
Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?

Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

It's an RMC (RouteMaster Country) bus. I believe it's based at Upton Park
garage, but am not 100% on that. As many will know, the traditional London
Buses are being phased out over the coming months, the 15, 11 and 23 have
already lost all the RM's. There have been some excellent "last night"
celebrations on each route, with some real gems for enthusiasts and
photographers - early RM's in original condition, RT's, RTW's and RMC's have
all been seen in recent weeks.

The one you saw Kat is ticketed to run in normal passenger service, for most
of this year it was on the 15.

HTH

RayB


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"RayB" wrote in message
...

"Kat" wrote in message
...
Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?

Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

It's an RMC (RouteMaster Country) bus. I believe it's based at Upton Park
garage, but am not 100% on that. As many will know, the traditional London
Buses are being phased out over the coming months, the 15, 11 and 23 have
already lost all the RM's. There have been some excellent "last night"
celebrations on each route, with some real gems for enthusiasts and
photographers - early RM's in original condition, RT's, RTW's and RMC's
have
all been seen in recent weeks.

The one you saw Kat is ticketed to run in normal passenger service, for
most
of this year it was on the 15.

HTH

RayB


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as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence why it
was chosen to be painted green.

Paul

Number 8 bus
 

In message , RayB
writes
It's an RMC (RouteMaster Country) bus. I believe it's based at Upton Park
garage, but am not 100% on that. As many will know, the traditional London
Buses are being phased out over the coming months, the 15, 11 and 23 have
already lost all the RM's. There have been some excellent "last night"
celebrations on each route, with some real gems for enthusiasts and
photographers - early RM's in original condition, RT's, RTW's and RMC's have
all been seen in recent weeks.

The one you saw Kat is ticketed to run in normal passenger service, for most
of this year it was on the 15.

Thanks for the information, Ray
(Haven't seen you on the e/b at MIE for a while now)
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

Number 8 bus
 

In message , Paul Dredge
writes
as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence why it
was chosen to be painted green.

Thanks.
You mentioned that the one I saw and the others have been sold; any idea
where they might be going?
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

Number 8 bus
 

In message , Ken Wheatley
writes
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:23:30 +0000, Martin Rich
wrote:

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?


It''s painted in the dark green livery which was used by London
Transport's country bus services, as they were, before they were spun
off into a separate company in 1970. Until then London Transport's
bus services extended to places like Reigate and St Albans and beyond.
When London Transport came under the control of the GLC it made more
sense for the country services to be transferred to a new subsidiary
the (publicly owned) National Bus Company.

Quite a few Routemasters were originally used in the country area, so
presumably this one has been painted in its original colours.

It's one of the JJD reg RMLs, I think 2456. (J)JD was once listed as a
West Ham vehicle registration, and I think it originally ran out on an
East London garage (BW? U? WH even?) on routes such as the 8, 15, 25.
Several red RMLs were transferred to the Country area (or LCBS, the
successor companies) in about the early 70s. I'm fairly certain I
remember this bus on the 441 route in the mid-70s. In those days they
had an odd green knob on a spring attached to them, a bit like a tube
car strap handle, presumable to help drivers judge where the kerb was.

Thanks,
Is BW the garage in Fairfield Rd, E3 by any chance?
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

Number 8 bus
 

"Paul Dredge" wrote in message

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?
Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW

Older than a routemaster! Must have had horses on the front?

There have been some excellent "last night" celebrations on each route,
with some real gems for enthusiasts and photographers - early RM's in
original condition, RT's, RTW's and RMC's

So these dinosaurs are finally getting the chop, welcome to the 1970's.!

as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate on
the 15 have all been sold. 2456 was new as a green bus in the old County
Department of LT, hence why it
was chosen to be painted green.

So was the 8 a country area route then or am I missing something?

Duncan Robinson



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In message , Duncan Robinson
writes

"Paul Dredge" wrote in message

Dark green and looked kind of older than others on that route..
Anyone know what that's about?
Seen near St Pauls (station) this morning BTW

Older than a routemaster! Must have had horses on the front?

LOL.
For someone who doesn't know her regal from her regent, I thought I did
well noticing it was green......
--
Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein

Number 8 bus
 

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:22:23 -0000, "Paul Dredge"
wrote:




as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence why it
was chosen to be painted green.

Paul

Are you sure it was new as green? I thought all the JJD reg buses were
red, and East London.

Number 8 bus
 

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:21:20 +0000, Kat
wrote:

Is BW the garage in Fairfield Rd, E3 by any chance?

It certainly is, which makes sense given the 8 terminates at Bow Church,
just round the corner from Fairfield Road.

HTH,

Barry

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In message , Barry Salter
writes
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:21:20 +0000, Kat
wrote:

Is BW the garage in Fairfield Rd, E3 by any chance?

It certainly is, which makes sense given the 8 terminates at Bow Church,
just round the corner from Fairfield Road.

Thanks.
Would all the buses on the 8 route be "kept" (are buses stabled too, I
wonder?) there?
--
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religion, economic status, or ethnic background, is that, deep down
inside, we all believe that we are above-average drivers.

Number 8 bus
 

Ken Wheatley wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:22:23 -0000, "Paul Dredge"
wrote:




as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green
as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now
operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate
on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence why
it
was chosen to be painted green.

Paul

Are you sure it was new as green? I thought all the JJD reg buses were
red, and East London.

Ken,
According to "In Shades Of Green" by Richard Clark, JJD-D registered
RML2421-60 were delivered as green country area buses.
RML2456 entered service in May 1966 at Harlow.

Regards
Dave Farrier

Number 8 bus
 

Do we know the date of the conversion to Route 8 to OPO as following
the recent conversions of 11, 15 and 23 it is now the last Routemaster
route going through City of London.

Martin



Kat wrote in message ...
In message , Paul Dredge
writes
as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence why it
was chosen to be painted green.

Thanks.
You mentioned that the one I saw and the others have been sold; any idea
where they might be going?

Number 8 bus
 

"Martin Whelton" wrote in message
om...
Do we know the date of the conversion to Route 8 to OPO as following
the recent conversions of 11, 15 and 23 it is now the last Routemaster
route going through City of London.

Martin



Kat wrote in message
...
In message , Paul Dredge
writes
as someone has already painted out it is RML2456 that was painted green
as
part of the "celebrations" for the opo conversion of the 15 and now
operates
on the 8 (until that goes opo next year) The RMC's that used to operate
on
the 15 have all been sold.
2456 was new as a green bus in the old County Department of LT, hence
why it
was chosen to be painted green.

Thanks.
You mentioned that the one I saw and the others have been sold; any idea
where they might be going?

It is just quoted as "summer 2004" currently.

and to answer another question, yes all the 8's Routemasters are based at
Bow and no they are not outstationed anywhere else

Number 8 bus
 

In message , Paul Dredge
writes
Kat wrote in message
...
Thanks.
You mentioned that the one I saw and the others have been sold; any idea
where they might be going?

It is just quoted as "summer 2004" currently.

and to answer another question, yes all the 8's Routemasters are based at
Bow and no they are not outstationed anywhere else


Thanks.
I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"
Would this also be used for trams/streetcars?
Also, I wondered who buys whole fleets of London buses when they are
replaced?
--
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Albert Schweitzer

Number 8 bus
 

"Kat" wrote in message
...

I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"

I don't see how the word could be used with buses. Although tube lines
usually have a depot or two and several sidings elsewhere, I don't think
there is a bus equivalent to sidings. If a route uses buses from two
garages, which buses are "outstationed"?

Would this also be used for trams/streetcars?
Also, I wondered who buys whole fleets of
London buses when they are replaced?

Leicester... eeh, the place brings back memories, I even found some of my
teenage chewing gum stuck beneath the seats.

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It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Number 8 bus
 

In article , Kat
writes
Would all the buses on the 8 route be "kept" (are buses stabled too, I
wonder?) there?

"Garaged".
--
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Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Number 8 bus
 

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"Kat" wrote in message
...

I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"

I don't see how the word could be used with buses. Although tube lines
usually have a depot or two and several sidings elsewhere, I don't think
there is a bus equivalent to sidings. If a route uses buses from two
garages, which buses are "outstationed"?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped

Not in London admittedly but some operators do use outstations. Stagecoach
whatever down here have a yard near Haslemere station where buses from
Aldershot's allocation are kept overnight (and between school runs) to save
them having to go back to Aldershot each night. It appears to be no more
than a bit of dirt ground in a car park.

Paul

Number 8 bus
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:20:19 +0000, Kat wrote in
, seen in uk.transport.buses:
In message , Paul Dredge
writes
[...]
and to answer another question, yes all the 8's Routemasters are based at
Bow and no they are not outstationed anywhere else

I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"

No, not in the context you're thinking of.

Buses are "parked up" or "garaged", depending on operator. "Stabling"
is used in a bus context as well, I'm pretty sure, although despite
racking my brains I can't think of where...

"Outstations" are sub-depots, sometimes nothing more than the regular
driver's drive, where buses are parked overnight to start the service
the following day. Rural operators are more likely to outstation
buses, urban ones generally don't do so.


[...]
Also, I wondered who buys whole fleets of London buses when they are
replaced?

Now that the London companies are mostly owned by the big groups, the
answer to that one is often "nobody". What happens is they are
cascaded down to the provincial subsidiaries of the groups, allowing
them in turn to release vehicles to cascade to poorer subsidiaries -
or to sell to the scrapman as old junk, or to enthusiasts who may not
consider it to be old junk. :)

--
Ross Hamilton, in Lincoln (UK)
From address *will* bounce

Number 8 bus
 

In message , Ross
writes
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:20:19 +0000, Kat wrote in
, seen in uk.transport.buses:
In message , Paul Dredge
writes
[...]
and to answer another question, yes all the 8's Routemasters are based at
Bow and no they are not outstationed anywhere else

I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"

No, not in the context you're thinking of.

Buses are "parked up" or "garaged", depending on operator. "Stabling"
is used in a bus context as well, I'm pretty sure, although despite
racking my brains I can't think of where...

"Outstations" are sub-depots, sometimes nothing more than the regular
driver's drive, where buses are parked overnight to start the service
the following day. Rural operators are more likely to outstation
buses, urban ones generally don't do so.


[...]
Also, I wondered who buys whole fleets of London buses when they are
replaced?

Now that the London companies are mostly owned by the big groups, the
answer to that one is often "nobody". What happens is they are
cascaded down to the provincial subsidiaries of the groups, allowing
them in turn to release vehicles to cascade to poorer subsidiaries -
or to sell to the scrapman as old junk, or to enthusiasts who may not
consider it to be old junk. :)


Thanks...
BTW, (for those reading this on UTL)
There's what could be an interesting thread on uk.transport.buses
entitled "OK - lets have some Christmas fun" and asking for "A 100 Uses
for a Dead Bus"........
It needs some imaginative replies ;-)
--
Kat

Number 8 bus
 

In article , Ross
writes
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:20:19 +0000, Kat wrote in
, seen in uk.transport.buses:
In message , Paul Dredge
writes
[...]
and to answer another question, yes all the 8's Routemasters are based at
Bow and no they are not outstationed anywhere else

I see from your reply that the correct term is "outstationed"

No, not in the context you're thinking of.

Buses are "parked up" or "garaged", depending on operator. "Stabling"
is used in a bus context as well, I'm pretty sure, although despite
racking my brains I can't think of where...

"Outstations" are sub-depots, sometimes nothing more than the regular
driver's drive, where buses are parked overnight to start the service
the following day. Rural operators are more likely to outstation
buses, urban ones generally don't do so.
Is calling an outstation a "Dormy" or "Dormy Garage" a practice
exclusive to the old Midland Red, or was that a widespread term?

Someone here is bound to know, Ross being at the top of the list!

(Incidentally, Ross, perhaps you'd like to send me your current e-mail
address, as I've managed to lose it!)
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Number 8 bus
 

"Kat" wrote in message
...
The one you saw Kat is ticketed to run in normal passenger service, for
most
of this year it was on the 15.

Thanks for the information, Ray
(Haven't seen you on the e/b at MIE for a while now)

I've tried to send you e-mail - drop me a line?

Ray


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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
...

Is calling an outstation a "Dormy" or "Dormy Garage" a practice
exclusive to the old Midland Red, or was that a widespread term?

Someone here is bound to know, Ross being at the top of the list!

No, it was a commonly-used term in the industry. Dormy Shed is another
variation. Outpost is another that I have heard.
--
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E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

Number 8 bus
 

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:37:59 +0000 (UTC), "Terry Harper"
wrote:

"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
...

Is calling an outstation a "Dormy" or "Dormy Garage" a practice
exclusive to the old Midland Red, or was that a widespread term?

Someone here is bound to know, Ross being at the top of the list!

No, it was a commonly-used term in the industry. Dormy Shed is another
variation. Outpost is another that I have heard.

London Transport used "outstation". In the 1960s, a bus was
outstationed on the forecourt of the Royal Oak, Holmbury St. Mary
each night, the drivers living nearby. The arrangement ceased when
one of the drivers (known to all and sundry as "Curly" - I never
knew his real name) retired.



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