"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
group.homeip.net...
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further
than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

No, it's purely PAYG - no actual tickets on it at all.

That then explains precisiely why the SWT grippers don't mention the lack of
OEPs on your journey - they only apply if travelcards are loaded.

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your
reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a
travelcard beyond its validity...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

In message
p.homeip.net, Paul
Cummins writes

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to
understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their
travelcard zones.

Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of
the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't
need an OEP are nevertheless loading them.
--
Paul Terry

In message
p.homeip.net, at
13:07:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins
remarked:
If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

The system may in fact be the least-worst answer to the problem it's
trying to solve - but the way it's been implemented/described/publicised
is clearly "not fit for purpose" to coin a phrase.

--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:20:26 on Sun, 7
Mar 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to
understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their
travelcard zones.

Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of
the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't
need an OEP are nevertheless loading them.

Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your
Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places
where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Terry wrote:

In message p.homeip.net,
Paul Cummins writes

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand
that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones.

But whenever that has been true, it has also been true that you needed a
ticket for the whole trip if you didn't have a travelcard at all. That's
where the OEP situation is completely novel - you need a whole new ticket
*only* if you're doing part of the trip by travelcard, *in addition* to
the PAYG credit to actually pay for it!

tom

--
I KNOW WAHT IM TALKING ABOUT SO LISTAN UP AND LISTEN GOOD BECUASE ITS
TIEM TO DROP SOME SCIENTISTS ON YUO!!! -- Jeff K

On 7 Mar, 15:31, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Terry wrote:
In message p.homeip.net,
Paul Cummins writes

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand
that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones.

But whenever that has been true, it has also been true that you needed a
ticket for the whole trip if you didn't have a travelcard at all. That's
where the OEP situation is completely novel - you need a whole new ticket
*only* if you're doing part of the trip by travelcard, *in addition* to
the PAYG credit to actually pay for it!

It's argued that the OEP is just like the extension ticket though, in
that it's something you have to get before travelling. But the
problem is when/where you need to get it. Most extension tickets on
NR would be purchased at the NR station where the relevant leg of the
journey begins. At that point, you are probably less likely to change
your mind about the rest of the day's travel.

The thing that mystifies me is how the operators who have deemed OEPs
to be necessary don't have the facilities for adding them.

If they can't be arsed, why should anyone else be?

Paul Terry wrote:

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to
understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their
travelcard zones.

Yes but Oyster has been advertised for (slightly fewer) years as a flexible
system where one doesn't need to faff in queues before starting the journey.

And if the level of publicity about OEPs at stations served by SWT is
similar to National Express ones, how is the layperson going to hear about
OEPs?

"Ian F." wrote in message
...

Mrs. F. and I had to travel from Clapham Junction to Twickenham last
night. She has a Z1-3 monthly Travelcard on her Oyster, along with a few
quid of PAYG.

Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood is of
being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need one.
Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose.

Ian

In message , Ian F.
writes

Just to say thanks for all the responses. I wonder what the likelihood
is of being penalised if you are found to not have an OEP when you need
one. Depends on the individual gripper, I suppose.

According to the London Travelwatch meeting on 18/2/2010 TfL reported
that Penalty Fares for a lack of OEP when needed "are not yet being
enforced".

The same meeting was told that ATOC are monitoring the usage of OEPs
"and will decide whether to continue OEPs by June 2010".

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they are abandoned, given that
only 3% of passengers are using them correctly.
--
Paul Terry