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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:05:46 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:



wrote

Cannot ELL trains be fitted with a pantograph? I'm sure that many will
have noticed that they have pantograph coaches.

They can, but why cart one around when it's not going to be used.

What about the transformers ? They are presumably made of a suitable
lump of concrete if the suspension components are standard.

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On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield

wrote:

Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east?

No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury.

Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs.

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes
to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL
will run side by side but with no through running in normal
circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. Something similar
applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there
about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL
without causing all sorts of issues. Hence the decision to have both
services terminate and passengers change between trains.

I know TfL have tried to name the services based on the respective
origins and destinations rather than use GOBLIN or North London Line.
It will be interesting to see whether their naming convention or long
standing custom and practice succeeds in common parlance once the
network is complete and the services are running as intended.

--
Paul C
via Google

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On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east?

No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury.

Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs.

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

It's a both service!


I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes
to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL
will run side by side but with no through running in normal
circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar
applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there
about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL
without causing all sorts of issues. Hence the decision to have both
services terminate and passengers change between trains.

True - but WLL-NLL 'through' services are set to become a permanent
fixture of the timetable throughout the day shortly, so the WLL / NLL
distinction is perhaps, er, less than distinct (in the eyes of normal
passengers at least).


I know TfL have tried to name the services based on the respective
origins and destinations rather than use GOBLIN or North London Line.
It will be interesting to see whether their naming convention or long
standing custom and practice succeeds in common parlance once the
network is complete and the services are running as intended.

Indeed. That said, there's many who won't know the old names - I know
newer inhabitants of London who aren't conversant in what the "North
London Line" is, some still referring to it as "the Silverlink",
another was confused when I told them the NLL was closed at the moment
- "what, the whole Northern line is closed?" they asked!

AFAICS the "West London Line" terminology has never really been used
much by normal pax to describe the Clapham Jn to Willesden Jn service
(or indeed the Southern service) - not least I'd say because it's
fairly new, only having got (re)started in the mid-90's (and I don't
think the marketing ever referred to the WLL).

The "East London Line" terminology has been widely used when referring
to the extended line and upcoming service, so maybe that'll catch on
with the public at large (not least because ELLX services will
traverse the route of the old ELL) - but of course TfL's official
customer facing publicity doesn't call it that.

GOBLIN - this is a kind of enthusiasts (and insiders) nickname, I
don't think pax at large really call it that, as familiar as we are
with referring to it as such.

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On 29/04/2010 09:27, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 29, 8:16 am, Paul wrote:


Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

It's a both service!

I have already heard people call the WLL the NLL. I predict that the WLL
name will atrophy, and everyone but enthusiasts will call the whole
thing the NLL. The lack of through running will enable the ELL name to
survive for the foreseeable.

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On Apr 29, 12:04*pm, Basil Jet wrote:

On 29/04/2010 09:27, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 29, 8:16 am, Paul *wrote:

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

It's a both service!

I have already heard people call the WLL the NLL. I predict that the WLL
name will atrophy, and everyone but enthusiasts will call the whole
thing the NLL. The lack of through running will enable the ELL name to
survive for the foreseeable.

I don't think the WLL name really ever had that much traction in the
first place amongst normal passengers (as I suggested in the rest of
my post). Also, given that the NLL is not called the NLL on passenger
facing communications, those unfamiliar with the name and history of
the line will have no reason to call it that - they'll likely just
call it "the Overground".

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On 29/04/2010 12:15, Mizter T wrote:

I don't think the WLL name really ever had that much traction in the
first place amongst normal passengers (as I suggested in the rest of
my post). Also, given that the NLL is not called the NLL on passenger
facing communications, those unfamiliar with the name and history of
the line will have no reason to call it that - they'll likely just
call it "the Overground".

Maybe the North London Tavern by Brondesbury Station be renamed the
Overground Tavern.

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Paul Corfield wrote:

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

Good points. Just shows how the same question can be interpreted in
different ways. I suppose I was answering 'will trains originating on the
WLL reach as far as the overlap with the ELL at Highbury etc. Incidentally a
post in District Dave's a couple of weeks back firmly supported the view
that London Rail aren't keen on using the line names, everthing being
described in terms of 'origin and destination' in timetables etc...

If you extend the question to empty stock moves though, LO trains from the
WLL will also reach the ELL (and the depot) via all sorts of routes through
South London. :-)

Paul S

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On 29/04/2010 12:15, Mizter T wrote:

I don't think the WLL name really ever had that much traction in the
first place amongst normal passengers (as I suggested in the rest of
my post). Also, given that the NLL is not called the NLL on passenger
facing communications, those unfamiliar with the name and history of
the line will have no reason to call it that - they'll likely just
call it "the Overground".

Maybe the North London Tavern by Brondesbury Station be renamed the
Overground Tavern.

Named after the real North London Railway of course.

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On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield

wrote:

Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east?

No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury.

Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs.

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes
to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL
will run side by side but with no through running in normal
circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar
applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there
about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL
without causing all sorts of issues.

I thought they were expected to use the same platform (2?) at Clapham
Jn?
Tim

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On Apr 29, 1:52*pm, TimB wrote:

On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east?

No. The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury.

Oops. Never was good at geography! Or decrypting TLAs.

Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends
on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott
and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through
to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service
when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service?

I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes
to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL
will run side by side but with no through running in normal
circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar
applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there
about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL
without causing all sorts of issues.

I thought they were expected to use the same platform (2?) at Clapham
Jn?

Platform 1 is to be reinstated (across the island from platform 2).