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On Apr 27, 12:50*am, TimB wrote:
There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm- rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. *Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. * In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? I always found them very useful. |
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On Apr 27, 10:20*pm, E27002 wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:50*am, TimB wrote: There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm-rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. *Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. * In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. *Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? *I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. |
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On Apr 27, 2:23*pm, The Gardener wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:20*pm, E27002 wrote: On Apr 27, 12:50*am, TimB wrote: There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm-rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. *Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. * In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. *Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? *I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. Thank you, I am glad to hear it. It will be intersting to see how these orbital routes develop. I think they will do well. |
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On Apr 27, 10:23*pm, The Gardener wrote: On Apr 27, 10:20*pm, E27002 wrote: [snip] In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. *Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? *I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. Urgh! Haven't been to Sunderland for a while - has it been improved of late? |
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On Apr 27, 10:25*pm, E27002 wrote: On Apr 27, 2:23*pm, The Gardener wrote: On Apr 27, 10:20*pm, E27002 wrote: [snip] In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. *Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? *I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. Thank you, I am glad to hear it. *It will be intersting to see how these orbital routes develop. *I think they will do well. Well, the NLL and WLL already do extremely well - I'm in no doubt that the ELL will be very successful. |
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On 27/04/2010 22:23, The Gardener wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:20 pm, wrote: On Apr 27, 12:50 am, wrote: There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm-rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". -- "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have..." |
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"Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Peter |
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On 28 Apr, 07:32, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Peter But it's only in the last few years that the C stock has stopped showing Olympia. Always a strange anomaly till then. |
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On Apr 28, 7:32*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Which may or may not make sense as a principle, but evidently isn't the principle being followed for these London Overground maps, 'cos otherwise they wouldn't show the Goblin (which they do). I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. Wait a month, then see... -- Abi |
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On Apr 28, 12:11*am, Ernesto wrote:
On 27/04/2010 22:23, The Gardener wrote: On Apr 27, 10:20 pm, *wrote: On Apr 27, 12:50 am, *wrote: *There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm-rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. * Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. *Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? *I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". -- "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have..." I was on the WLL on Monday too and at Shepherds Bush I picked up a pretty good leaflet about the ELL project. So they do know about each other... Tim |
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On 28/04/2010 07:59, MIG wrote:
On 28 Apr, 07:32, "Peter wrote: It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Peter But it's only in the last few years that the C stock has stopped showing Olympia. Always a strange anomaly till then Hardly, because half of the morning rush hour C-stocks to and from Edgware Road used to run to and from Olympia. The D-Stock shuttle would only start when the morning rush hour was over. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady
wrote: I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. Wait a month, then see... Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need something by then won't they? |
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On Apr 28, 8:51*am, Abigail Brady wrote: On Apr 28, 7:32*am, "Peter Masson" wrote: There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Which may or may not make sense as a principle, but evidently isn't the principle being followed for these London Overground maps, 'cos otherwise they wouldn't show the Goblin (which they do). I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. *Wait a month, then see... I concur - I doubt it's anything more complicated than that. |
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On Apr 28, 10:55*am, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady wrote: I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. *Wait a month, then see... Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need something by then won't they? * The line through to H&I won't be open until some time next year. |
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On 28/04/2010 07:32, Peter Masson wrote:
"Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, They don't even include HSK - Edgware Road, unless they've changed recently. and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. |
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Peter Masson wrote:
"Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major rethink though... Paul S |
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E27002 wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:50 am, TimB wrote: There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm- rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? I always found them very useful. If you are looking at the 54 second video that is there today, (rather than the original video from last years testing), the line diagrams are there, but above the doors, they just don't come out too clearly - stop the vid at about 6 secs, it is just visible behind the far orange grab rail. Of course as it shows the whole LO network it has a bit more height than an ordinary 'strip' like most underground trains except the 'Circle etc' shown in the C stock. Paul S |
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On Apr 28, 7:07*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Peter Masson wrote: "Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at this stage. *I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major rethink though... For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the 378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through running south of NXG starts in late May): http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/ |
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Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major rethink though... For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the 378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through running south of NXG starts in late May): http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/ 378/1 he http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffde...7623819448177/ Paul S |
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On Apr 28, 12:39*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Mizter T wrote: On Apr 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major rethink though... For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the 378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through running south of NXG starts in late May): http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/ 378/1 he http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffde.../set-721576238... Paul S Thanks for posting. I had not seen the overground diagram before. I was oble to size your picture to the maximum, and the diagram was very clear. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? No. The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury. Oops. Never was good at geography! Or decrypting TLAs. |
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On 27/04/2010 22:23, The Gardener wrote:
On Apr 27, 10:20 pm, wrote: On Apr 27, 12:50 am, wrote: There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm-rather entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers along the line. Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday to Friday. In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that underground cars have. Will these not be a feature of the "London Overground"? I always found them very useful. They are definitely there - I travelled on the ELL this afternoon. The whole set-up is very impressive, with the rather gloomy exception of Dalston Junction, which reminds me of Birmingham New Street or Sunderland about seven years ago. Not the prettiest station, is it? |
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On 28/04/2010 07:32, Peter Masson wrote:
"Ernesto" wrote I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the 378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under construction". There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District. Peter Cannot ELL trains be fitted with a pantograph? I'm sure that many will have noticed that they have pantograph coaches. |
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On 28/04/2010 10:55, Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady wrote: I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. Wait a month, then see... Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need something by then won't they? Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? |
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On Apr 28, 8:39*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Mizter T wrote: On Apr 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major rethink though... For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the 378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through running south of NXG starts in late May): http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/ 378/1 he http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffde.../set-721576238... I did like the caption on Flickr... "I love all you fellow rail geeks. I've just been travelling round the world for a year, taking loads of photos, and in less than 24 hours a photo of a tube map is on course to become my most viewed photo ever." (Oh, I've started the clock...) |
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wrote in message ... On 28/04/2010 10:55, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady wrote: I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't got round to putting them on yet. Wait a month, then see... Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need something by then won't they? Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? When the NLL reopens there will be quite a number of through trains from Clapham Junction to Stratford via the WLL and NLL. Peter |
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wrote Cannot ELL trains be fitted with a pantograph? I'm sure that many will have noticed that they have pantograph coaches. They can, but why cart one around when it's not going to be used. Peter |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:05:46 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote: wrote Cannot ELL trains be fitted with a pantograph? I'm sure that many will have noticed that they have pantograph coaches. They can, but why cart one around when it's not going to be used. What about the transformers ? They are presumably made of a suitable lump of concrete if the suspension components are standard. |
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On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury. Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs. Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL will run side by side but with no through running in normal circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. Something similar applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL without causing all sorts of issues. Hence the decision to have both services terminate and passengers change between trains. I know TfL have tried to name the services based on the respective origins and destinations rather than use GOBLIN or North London Line. It will be interesting to see whether their naming convention or long standing custom and practice succeeds in common parlance once the network is complete and the services are running as intended. -- Paul C via Google |
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On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury. Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs. Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? It's a both service! I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL will run side by side but with no through running in normal circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL without causing all sorts of issues. Hence the decision to have both services terminate and passengers change between trains. True - but WLL-NLL 'through' services are set to become a permanent fixture of the timetable throughout the day shortly, so the WLL / NLL distinction is perhaps, er, less than distinct (in the eyes of normal passengers at least). I know TfL have tried to name the services based on the respective origins and destinations rather than use GOBLIN or North London Line. It will be interesting to see whether their naming convention or long standing custom and practice succeeds in common parlance once the network is complete and the services are running as intended. Indeed. That said, there's many who won't know the old names - I know newer inhabitants of London who aren't conversant in what the "North London Line" is, some still referring to it as "the Silverlink", another was confused when I told them the NLL was closed at the moment - "what, the whole Northern line is closed?" they asked! AFAICS the "West London Line" terminology has never really been used much by normal pax to describe the Clapham Jn to Willesden Jn service (or indeed the Southern service) - not least I'd say because it's fairly new, only having got (re)started in the mid-90's (and I don't think the marketing ever referred to the WLL). The "East London Line" terminology has been widely used when referring to the extended line and upcoming service, so maybe that'll catch on with the public at large (not least because ELLX services will traverse the route of the old ELL) - but of course TfL's official customer facing publicity doesn't call it that. GOBLIN - this is a kind of enthusiasts (and insiders) nickname, I don't think pax at large really call it that, as familiar as we are with referring to it as such. |
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On 29/04/2010 09:27, Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 29, 8:16 am, Paul wrote: Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? It's a both service! I have already heard people call the WLL the NLL. I predict that the WLL name will atrophy, and everyone but enthusiasts will call the whole thing the NLL. The lack of through running will enable the ELL name to survive for the foreseeable. |
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On Apr 29, 12:04*pm, Basil Jet wrote: On 29/04/2010 09:27, Mizter T wrote: On Apr 29, 8:16 am, Paul *wrote: Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? It's a both service! I have already heard people call the WLL the NLL. I predict that the WLL name will atrophy, and everyone but enthusiasts will call the whole thing the NLL. The lack of through running will enable the ELL name to survive for the foreseeable. I don't think the WLL name really ever had that much traction in the first place amongst normal passengers (as I suggested in the rest of my post). Also, given that the NLL is not called the NLL on passenger facing communications, those unfamiliar with the name and history of the line will have no reason to call it that - they'll likely just call it "the Overground". |
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On 29/04/2010 12:15, Mizter T wrote:
I don't think the WLL name really ever had that much traction in the first place amongst normal passengers (as I suggested in the rest of my post). Also, given that the NLL is not called the NLL on passenger facing communications, those unfamiliar with the name and history of the line will have no reason to call it that - they'll likely just call it "the Overground". Maybe the North London Tavern by Brondesbury Station be renamed the Overground Tavern. |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? Good points. Just shows how the same question can be interpreted in different ways. I suppose I was answering 'will trains originating on the WLL reach as far as the overlap with the ELL at Highbury etc. Incidentally a post in District Dave's a couple of weeks back firmly supported the view that London Rail aren't keen on using the line names, everthing being described in terms of 'origin and destination' in timetables etc... If you extend the question to empty stock moves though, LO trains from the WLL will also reach the ELL (and the depot) via all sorts of routes through South London. :-) Paul S |
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On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? No. * The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury. Oops. *Never was good at geography! * Or decrypting TLAs. Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL will run side by side but with no through running in normal circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL without causing all sorts of issues. I thought they were expected to use the same platform (2?) at Clapham Jn? Tim |
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On Apr 29, 1:52*pm, TimB wrote: On Apr 29, 8:16*am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, Ivor The Engine wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:26 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote: Are there actually plans for WLL trains to go that far east? No. The NLL and ELL overlap between Canonbury and Highbury. Oops. Never was good at geography! Or decrypting TLAs. Well to be fair it all depends how you categorise things. It depends on whether you describe the infrastructure or the service. *Mr Scott and others are quite correct that trains from the WLL will run through to Stratford from Clapham Junction. However is it still a WLL service when it reaches Canonbury or is it a NLL service? I tend to think of the bits of railway as being distinct when it comes to the Overground. This is reinforced by the fact that the ELL and NLL will run side by side but with no through running in normal circumstances due to the track design at Highbury. *Something similar applies at Clapham Junction as there are real practical problems there about how a ELL train would reverse and then head north up the WLL without causing all sorts of issues. I thought they were expected to use the same platform (2?) at Clapham Jn? Platform 1 is to be reinstated (across the island from platform 2). |
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