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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? B2003 |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
wrote in message ... On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? Saaarf Lunnon morons innit? They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their congested streets an' that. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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writes wrote: On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? I've asked the same question in the past, having noticed the same thing. I remember one spectacuklar even in late 2004 when the M25 was closed both ways between Sevenoaks and Godstone (A21 - A22) because two (UK-registered) HGVs - going in the same direction - had collided with each other one night and gone off the side of the carriageway, needing to be recovered painstakingly over three days. Needless to say, the whole region was in chaos. Even the northern side of M25 was affected with diversions round the other way. The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). Some say it is because the area is the first really busy stretch of motorway that foreign truck drivers encounter when coming along M20/M26. But not all the worst incidents have happened when the road was busy (as noted above, truck accidents often happen at dead of night). And not all the accidents have involved foreign drivers. The answer - there IS one - is to restrict HGVs to the nearside lane only, 24/7/365. It does seem that certain stretches of road attract a high proportion of accidents or breakdowns. In the last few months, that old favourite, the Dartford tunnel, seems to be having a lot of breakdowns and lorries getting jammed. [A few months ago, wasn't there fire which meant that it had to be closed for nearly a week?] On the M25, another favourite spot is the roadworks between J16 and 18, past Rickmansworth. On the M1, nearly every day there is one kind of incident or other in the roadworks at the bottom end. In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident - except those involving myself!] And why do lorries choose to wait for roadworks before they break down? -- Ian |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Tue, 04 May 2010 10:22:12 +0100
JNugent wrote: Some say it is because the area is the first really busy stretch of motorway that foreign truck drivers encounter when coming along M20/M26. But not all You may have a point there as the accidents seem to usually be on the clockwise side. Perhaps its anyone who's come off a ferry or the chunnel and is almost falling asleep at the wheel and they hit this busy spot and crash. B2003 |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Tue, 4 May 2010 10:54:20 +0100
Ian Jackson wrote: In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen Narrower lanes and lanes suddenly veering to the left or right and catching out people who haven't been paying attention - on the M40 yesterday I saw a BMW X5 gently veering in and out of the middle lane. When I passed it it looked like the daft bitch was texting. If we'd been in roadworks she'd have almost certainly crashed and probably taken a few other cars with her. B2003 |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On May 4, 10:46*am, "Brimstone" wrote: wrote in: On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? Saaarf Lunnon morons innit? They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their congested streets an' that. As a Saarf Lunnon moron all I will say is that I have remarkably little experience of the M25 - it's normally something I pass over or under. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Tue, 4 May 2010 10:54:20 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote: And why do lorries choose to wait for roadworks before they break down? you only hear about those! -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On May 4, 10:54*am, Ian Jackson wrote: [snip] In the last few months, that old favourite, the Dartford tunnel, seems to be having a lot of breakdowns and lorries getting jammed. [A few months ago, wasn't there fire which meant that it had to be closed for nearly a week?] You're getting muddled with the Blackwall tunnel - the northbound bore was closed for repairs after a fire last November for a few days, though I can't remember how long it lasted in the end though. See: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23777182-.do and http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...00/8385980.stm |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On May 4, 10:46 am, "Brimstone" wrote: wrote in: On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? Saaarf Lunnon morons innit? They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their congested streets an' that. As a Saarf Lunnon moron all I will say is that I have remarkably little experience of the M25 - it's normally something I pass over or under. A good thing to do to it. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
wrote in message
... On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? B2003 Is it just because you know the name well, that whenever anything happens, it stands out? "Accident near/between Junction X/Y" isn't so memorable. Are there any stats available to us South London morons which would support your supposition. I believe that area is subject to more fog than some so that may be a factor (although presumably not in this case). The other alternative is that people are so keen to get away from Clackets Lane, they don't look where they are going! MaxB |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
wrote in message ... On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some motorists. Does anyone have any ideas? B2003 I have seen several caused by/around the services themselves (well the location and id10t drivers.). there are the ones on the slip road out (which is (generally) pretty short).. and so many drivers expect a gap to be created for them.. on the entry way caused by, of course, the last minute 3rd lane tw@s who drive across the lanes barely making the slip road.. but its also a very crowded but very fast (until an accident is there) part of the M25.. it is also one of the most poorly maintained bits of motorway (IMHO) with potholes and truck ruts and in rain I've never known a bit of MWay so bad for spray.. (seems to be worse than most but no idea why). but generally its because of drivers being tw@s.. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate phil |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
phil wrote:
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate and? How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am? |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On 04/05/2010 10:54, Ian Jackson wrote:
In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident Interesting. Drivers rarely see a live accident, yet they happen daily on the same stretches of road causing havoc for all. You would think drivers would use a little logic here, rather than the standard 'continue as I always do as it's the other idiots'. -- MrBitsy |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On 05/05/2010 00:39, JNugent wrote:
phil wrote: The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate and? How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am? They're watching Battlestar Galactica videos? |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
"JNugent" wrote in message ... phil wrote: The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate and? How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am? With great skill and dedication. Not everyone can manage it. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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Ian Jackson wrote: In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident - except those involving myself!] I have: on the M11 a lorry lost a tyre about a mile ahead of me. Quite entertaining. -- Please help Imogen May keep talking - www.imogenmay.com |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 10:46:22AM +0100, Brimstone wrote:
Saaarf Lunnon morons innit? They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their congested streets an' that. Whenever I'm foolish enough to drive through London instead of going out and around, it's always the bits north of the Thames that are slow and make me arrive at my destination late. -- David Cantrell | A machine for turning tea into grumpiness What profiteth a man, if he win a flame war, yet lose his cool? |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:43:19PM +0100, Batman55 wrote:
Is it just because you know the name well, that whenever anything happens, it stands out? "Accident near/between Junction X/Y" isn't so memorable. Traffic reports and signs that blather on about junction numbers annoy me. I have no idea what junction number is where. I don't even know what junction number I use to come off the M25 to get home. What the ****'s wrong with using place names? -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic In this episode, R2 and Luke weld the doors shut on their X-Wing, and Chewbacca discovers that his Ewok girlfriend is really just a Womble with its nose chopped off. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Wed, 05 May 2010 11:55:23 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote: Traffic reports and signs that blather on about junction numbers annoy me. I have no idea what junction number is where. I don't even know what junction number I use to come off the M25 to get home. What the ****'s wrong with using place names? I couldn't agree more. I'm fed up of advanced warning signs and radio reports that refer only to junction numbers. Even using the A road number(s) at each motorway intersection would be better than using junction numbers. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate and? How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am? Er, Driver fatigue? Mechanical failure? Tyre blowout? phil |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
phil wrote:
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and capacity). HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate and? How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am? Er, Driver fatigue? Mechanical failure? Tyre blowout? phil It's too frequent at that spot to be a coincidence. Honestly. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 10:25:51AM +0100, Mike Bristow wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote: In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident - except those involving myself!] I have: on the M11 a lorry lost a tyre about a mile ahead of me. Quite entertaining. I have too. On some northern motorway, someone coming the other way was drifting all over the place. I thought "bah 'eck" (I'd been in the north for a week, it was rubbing off on me) "that looks like trouble", and then they hit the central barrier and the car bounced up in the air and disintegrated. Seconds later I went through the cloud of debris, thankfully suffering nothing worse than a chipped windscreen and a dented roof. I didn't see what else happened, or what happened to cause the initial loss of control, and didn't hang around either, working on the assumption that the accident was going to stop the traffic on the northbound carriageway anyway and someone else would call for an ambulance. I did phone the Oop North Police when I got home to try and give a statement but they weren't interested. I wouldn't call it entertaining, but it was at least exciting. I expect that having an HIV test after your SO admits to sleeping with tramps is similar. -- David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire THIS IS THE LANGUAGE POLICE PUT DOWN YOUR THESAURUS STEP AWAY FROM THE CLICHE |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
On Thu, 06 May 2010 12:25:00 +0100
David Cantrell wrote: north for a week, it was rubbing off on me) "that looks like trouble", and then they hit the central barrier and the car bounced up in the air and disintegrated. Seconds later I went through the cloud of debris, Motorway barriers are far too thin and low IMO. Occasionally they don't stop cars and almost never stop trucks going through them. The yanks have the right idea in some states - a 5 foot high solid concrete wall between the carraigeways which even a tank can't get over as they found out in LA a few years back. Plus it makes it harder for rubber neckers to get a look. B2003 |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
Before the M25 was completed around 1979 A man protesting against that stretch being completed gave a warning of impending doom to all that travelled along that section and he was seen as a nutter, He said it was sacred ground. Apparently there was a village there that disappeared off the maps in Tudor Times . When the motorway was completed within weeks there was the most horrendous accident with cars catching fire and people getting burned to death, and nearly everyday there is an accident or an incident. This is a dead straight length of road with no hazards and no obvious danger
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a mile before the M25 junction. It was interesting but not entertaining. At that point the southbound carriageway is downhill for about a mile, which of course did not help me to slow down. I didn't dare touch my brakes so I changed gears and drifted downhill. I thought I was going to get away with it but when I was down to about 20 mph the car spun round and crashed into the central reservation. |
Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
One problem is that an incident occurs every 24 hours. But it takes the police 25 hours to investigate each incident... You can see the problem.
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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
Is there another 120-mile stretch of road in the World that has so many accidents? My stretch is the god-awful car park that is the M40 to M23 stretch, that includes the M3-Wisley bit. That must be the most congested and snarled-up bit of the lot, especially anti-clockwise. The Berlin ring road is about the same length. I wonder if their accident rate is the same? (I doubt it, they're German).
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