How many of these sets are now in use? I commute each day Seven
Sisters/Tottenham Hale to Central London and still haven't seen one
running...


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On 4 May, 20:56, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 04 May 2010 20:08:41 +0100, Phil Richards

wrote:
How many of these sets are now in use? I commute each day Seven
Sisters/Tottenham Hale to Central London and still haven't seen one
running...

I have travelled on train 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 now. *I believe train 1 is
back at Derby and 2 might be as well. *There are usually 3 or 4 in
service most days. *Running number 236 is always rostered for 2009 stock
as I usually catch it every morning (0708 from Seven Sisters)! *It was
train 4 this morning and unlike last week it didn't break down :-)

I think running numbers 271 and 272 are also 2009 stock too. Sorry to
quote running numbers as that will almost certainly be meaningless
without the working timetable.

Even with 3 or 4 trains running you are barely at 7% of the total runout
(circa 40 trains IIRC).
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Paul C

What times do they usually run?

On Tue, 04 May 2010 20:08:41 +0100
Phil Richards wrote:
How many of these sets are now in use? I commute each day Seven
Sisters/Tottenham Hale to Central London and still haven't seen one
running...

I went past the depot by train on a sunday a few weeks ago and only saw 1 set
sitting there though of course any others could have been in service.

B2003

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Peter

"peter" wrote in message

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Of course, most Victoria Line journeys are short, and all are entirely
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I
think the limited, harder, mainly/entirely longitudinal seating will be
more of a problem with the new S stock, which will often be used for
much longer journeys on the District and Met lines.

On Fri, 14 May 2010 00:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
peter wrote:
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Cheap I think is the word you're looking for. In the next iteration they'll
probably dispense with the cloth covering altogether and we'll have standard
euro plastic benches.

B2003

On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:47:16 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and

I wonder if thats really true. The victoria line runs through some old piccadilly
line tunnels at finsbury park and the 2009 stock I rode on managed it without
clipping the tunnel walls.

nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I

Lets hope they put the hamsters on some doses of steroids before they supply the
trains. The acceleration of the northern line trains is utterly woeful.

B2003

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 May 2010 00:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
peter wrote:
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Cheap I think is the word you're looking for. In the next iteration
they'll
probably dispense with the cloth covering altogether and we'll have
standard
euro plastic benches.

That'll just serve people right for asking why the tube can't be more like
the wonderful and totally reliable New York Subway...

Paul S

On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:48:51 +0100
"Paul Scott" wrote:
That'll just serve people right for asking why the tube can't be more like
the wonderful and totally reliable New York Subway...

And cheap.

B2003

On 14 May, 10:19, wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:47:16 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
I wonder if thats really true. The victoria line runs through some old piccadilly
line tunnels at finsbury park and the 2009 stock I rode on managed it without
clipping the tunnel walls.


Different signalling systems and method of safe operation. There's
more to it than train/tunnel size.

PhilD

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